Women aren't property, so you don't need their father's permission. Stop treating them like property and maybe you'd be better off.

this line of thinking only works if the woman has to ask her future MIL's permission too. of not, then it goes straight back to a sexist an outdated tradition that needs to die already.

When my husband and I were just dating, I told him if he ever wanted to propose to me not to ask permission from my father because not only is it lame, it's also not his decision to make. To be honest I think its rather disrespectful to the woman, unless she, for whatever reason, wants you to have her father's permission..

run away with that assholes daughter

**** this outdated tradition. It's not the dad's decision. I don't even care if it's symbolic or whatever BS reason people who support this can come up with. Its roots are in a patriarchal society and this ancient relic of inequality should die.

You people saying that it's "respectful to the parents" are idiots. If it respects the parents then why does it only concern asking the girl's father and not the mother? Because it is not a matter of respect, just an old tradition based on the idea that women are property to be handed over. Ask the woman and let her decide for herself is she wants to marry your sorry ass, though I hope she realizes what a putz you are and tells you no as well.

guys seriously? it's a tradition of respect. no more, no less. it is between OP and his potential fiancé. but it kinda sucks to get married without parental approval of your spouse if you care about your parents' opinion. I personally am going to say "**** you" to my parents when I get married and hope that his parents like me. but it's not like that for everyone else. OP can do whatever the hell he wants but he tried to show her father respect and was rejected. this really shouldn't be a political debate

U could ask him why or propose to her anyways

dood do it anyway!

YDI for asking. Grow a pair.