@ #19Nope, I'm not. I'm really not bitter. I believe in love and marriage and the whole nine yards, and I don't think that the institution is dead. I'm just realistic and have come to realize that unfortunately, there isn't a "perfect" man out there and that there may be no such thing as a Prince Charming. Btw, that book was written by a man. He betrayed the man code by divulging sacred info. Moreover, the more you say that all guys aren't the same and that there are nice guys out there, the more you sound like one of the guys who are all the same. The man doth protest too much.

I'm about to break up to, I hope she doesn't say the same thing LOL!

Gotta agree with fuzzyslippers. The lady doth sound bitter. Interesting tactic there, attacking the questioner's credibility based entirely on the fact that he questioned her.

I never said that men weren't interested in me. I don't think any decent men are interested in me. I don't think I have high expectations; I just don't like lazy men. Besides, a man will never respect a woman if she takes whatever he throws her way. As far as commitment goes, I don't think people should rush and get married 3 months after they've been dating. However, I don't believe in waiting a decade. Shit, or get off the pot. It has been my observation that when we as women let certain things go unchecked, we give up out power. One of them is cheating. That's a 100% deal breaker for me. I've never been cheated on, but I find it hard to believe that my bf or husband would ever take me seriously again after that. Secondly, and most importantly, is giving you the milk without you buying the cow. If a woman will wait around on a man who is dragging his feet regarding commitment and she will accept him stringing her along, she will accept anything, and he won't respect. Why should he? He knows that she'll allow just about anything if she will let him do whatever he wants. I thought I was off about this until I had some men completely agree with me. Men will only do what you allow them to do. I don't have a vindictive hatred off them. I LOVE men; however, there are few and far between of actual men who keep it real and don't play games. Obviously, NO man is perfect, or woman for that matter, but If my choice is between a piece of man or no man at all, I'll take the latter. "My guess is that you scare off men with your high expectations, rush to commit, and vindictive hatred of them." Again, you're trying too hard. You sound like all the rest. As the saying goes, "I just want ONE man to prove that they aren't all the same."

@ #28 LOLZ!

'...there isn't a "perfect" man...' Stop the presses! You're a perfect woman, presumably?

@JuJuBee: this will run long. As such, I have one thing to say overall. If I knew you, and if I were interested in you, I would like it very much if I could prove to you that men are not all the same. As I do not, the best I can do is try in text, which unfortunately is not a good enough alternative. most of what I've heard is "You sound like all the rest." again and again from you. What #24 said about "your high expectations, rush to commit, and vindictive hatred of them" is what you are getting across in your speech. You repeatedly say men are all the same, and even in response to him you say the same thing. He made a statement, and one generalization. His generalization was based on what you've said, and he made a fairly logical conclusion. You replying saying he sounds the same and is trying too hard is not a good response. You don't really even respond to it really. The fact is, you are coming off that way. "the more you say that all guys aren't the same and that there are nice guys out there, the more you sound like one of the guys who are all the same". Really? How can a man prove himself to be different than other men, if you do not seem to want to let him try? Of course the men here want to tell you that there are men who are not as bad as you are making them out to be. You are insulting every man by saying we are all the same and none of us are nice. Of course we will try to respond to that by saying it is not true. It is something that we do not all deserve. You saying that is like if I said "no women listen to logic". (Please do not get insulted by my next statement, because I am simply working on what you say here; I am not making any assumptions here, I am only explaining how you come across to people, by your words, and when anyone gets worked up, they will not listen to logic as much) You keep responding to everyone trying to defend himself against your generalization with, basically, "everything you are saying makes you sound like every other man". In this way, everything YOU are saying makes it seem like you are not trying to listen to logic, and you are only holding onto your prejudices. You are proving that statement individually by your words. I do not believe the statement at all, but if you think it's unfair that men would think that, well, it's the same for us when you keep saying that we are all the same. This makes you look vindictive and hateful, because you are punishing us, whether or not you know it, by telling us we are all, in effect, not good enough, as a gender. You say you do not have too high expectations, but you certainly did for a while, as you said you "have come to realize that unfortunately, there isn't a "perfect" man out there". Knowing that, and you outright rejecting our defenses, makes it harder for us to believe that you don't have high expectations. You say "there may be no such thing as a Prince Charming." This might actually be a good thing. Charming does not mean anything more than charming. So he is charming, amazing, etc. There's a comic book called Fables, in which Prince Charming is charming indeed. So of course, he gets married... multiple times. You can be rotten to the core and still be charming. Psychopaths/murderers like Ted Bundy are usually charming. That's part of how they do what they do so well. "It's men who define what's going on, and we have to go with it or get lost. I usually choose the latter." So it sounds like you leave relationships or don't even get into them at all, most of the time. If the man decides all of that, then of course he decides whether you are in a relationship, etc etc, and it seems like you chafe under the slightest control. If you aren't going to define what's going on, (it seems like you won't, since you say this is what always happens) someone has to, and so someone will. Say you and I dated. If I were doing something like that, and you decided you didn't want me to, and told me, I'd willingly relinquish whatever it is, the "defining" or whatever. I wouldn't see it as a big deal. I absolutely agree with you that if a man cheats or drags his feet and the woman accepts it, that the man will not respect the woman as much. But, I also believe there are exceptions to everything. I can believe that someone cheating might be truly sorry. However, I would never condone it, and few people make that mistake that deserve to be forgiven at all. So few, in fact, that if it happened to me I would immediately leave the relationship. As for the dragging of feet, two people won't sort often sort out their feelings and what they believe they will feel, in the same amount of time. I believe men simply don't examine their feelings closely as much. Men seem to have a tendency to be less emotional in general. (I can see this in myself, as I might not often think about how much I love my friends, but I really do, and at times it really sinks in how strong the feeling is. The feeling is strongest when something happens to threaten the bond, or something exceptional happens to express it.) So on the whole, I agree with you on those. I am stating those because I am attempting to address all of your argument, not just what I disagree with, or where it seems you contradict yourself somewhat. I personally have high standards. (but I have never believed in a perfect woman. I do not look for one, and I accept faults and disappointments) As such, I'm a virgin. I haven't had deep relationships, because I look for a deep bond, and I've only found one. (she has a boyfriend, which will dismay me to no end to some extent, until I may find someone as good as her) If I know I had found something special, I would commit myself deeply, I would embrace the commitment more than anything. So here is a man who would adore commitment, if I had found a woman whom I was in love. So I can not say I would drag my feet. If the relationship was not working, I do not believe there would be any sense of dragging feet. I would clearly express that it was not working, or I would fall in love. I do not believe I am capable of dragging my feet, because I'm not interested in the other things in a relationship as much as the love in it. To end, if this is not enough to make you respond with that, in effect, is more than "you sound the same too", then there is no point in arguing with you here, because I do not believe you can be swayed, if not by this. I can point out more examples of why we respond the way we do to what you say and how I would contrary to your negative expectations, but I will not unless you ask, because I have already run long, and I do not think any amount of writing will make a difference if this has not. If, however, you would like me to continue with this, I would gladly go on with it. I would even have occasional conversations with you when I had the time, if it would make you think differently.

Was this girl named Jackie?

She actually verbalized the "lol"? You shouldn't have been seeing this grammatically inept person in the first place.

@ 36, and you sir, can take a long walk off of a short pier. Happy Saturday, folks.