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If you're gonna be religious and go as far as to send your kid to indoctrination camp, follow the damn rules. Don't pick and choose. Either follow the rules or admit that you're not really religious.
Um. When I was little, my family was not religious at all. After I went to Hebrew school and an orthodox Jewish day camp, my life changed. Though I did not know much or keep much, being in that environment showed me how nice it is to embrace my faith and follow the Torah. Half a life later, I am finishing yeshiva with much more knowledge I started with. When I was in camp, I told my friend Yael I didn't like tasting shrimp. What did I know?
Does that mean an active Christian, following all the rules and believing everything in the bible, who just so happens to work Wednesdays and Sundays and can't make it to church is going to hell? I don't believe in order to be a part of a certain religion, you have to follow every single rule by the books. Not eating certain foods I doubt will get you on "God's" bad side. Just seems silly to bash the OP for something like that. I respect traditions as I'm sure the OP's family does, but just because they don't abide by all of them doesn't make the family bad Jews.
big deal suck it up
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An example. Seriously, please. Gimme a frigging example of a black and white surname that is NOT just based in language but pertains SPECIFICALLY to their race.
You're asking a misleading question. The origins of race come from regions, by definition. Languages also come from regions, so therefore the language origins correspond closely with race. We're talking origins, here. Also -- Certain surnames in the US have been deliberately re-assigned... By either the white slave owners (which explains some of the common African-American surnames that are CLEARLY not from African origins), or by immigration officials. There are also common surnames in the US that get assigned to a specific group, which are more indicative of the country of origin, as opposed to the group, itself... This is VERY common among German Jews, who in the US have what are thought of as "Jewish" surnames, as opposed to simply German names -- Due to the high influx of German Jews in post WWII.
Ward and Cooper are both Anglo names. You may find some other races that now have these names, and others, through intermarriage and other means, but they are names that are European (White) in origin and pertained entirely to the culture. (The surname Cooper was originally an occupation, and was chosen, when the Europeans chose surnames, by those in that profession.) Just as you will find Irish surnames that are not just part of the language (Celtic) but also uniquely part of the culture. There are surnames for every race that are part of the culture, not just of the language. (If you want further proof, check out sites that translate Asian names. Those aren't just Asian for Hanson and Ward and Cooper. They have a literal meaning in the language that is unique to the culture.)
Thank you for proving that surnames are related to language, which is not inherent to races. :D
YDI for being a Jew.
You know what this calls for? A bacon-egg-cheese bagel. Mmm, mmm.
Jews are people who follow Judaism. The actual sub-race of "Jewish Semetic peoples" who are descendants of the Hebrews of the ancient world are very few in number today. Most people claiming to be of the Jewish "race" are actually of European descent with a a dash of actual Semetic blood here and there. Their ancestry of having lived in Europe for so many generations has made their genetic make-up more similar to an average European than a Hebrew. It's funny that today's Palestinians have more in common genetically with the old Hebrew tribe than their Israeli neighbors! so much for the chosen race!
Um, no. That theory (specifically that most Jews are descended from the Khazars, many of whom converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century) has been adequately debunked by genetic tests which show that most Jews are genetically linked most closely to other natives of the Middle East, especially the Arabs of Jordan, Syria and, yes, the Palestinians. Interestingly enough, there is considerable evidence that many Palestinian Arabs are of Jewish descent - at least, many of them have family traditions that closely resemble Jewish practices and are at odds with Muslim practices.
When God sent Moses and the Israelites out of Egypt into the land promised to Abraham, He instructed them to kill everyone who was already there. They didn't. Instead they married their Jewish sons and daughters to natives in the land and adopted their gods, superstitions and traditions as their own. Had they obeyed God, I doubt that there would be any similarities between Jewish people and their neighbors. I'm not saying I wish they had... that would make people angry... I'm just presenting it as an interesting fact.
I think it's both a religion and a race but the race has to be passed down by the mom or something.
camp is fun, I'm going to camp in 10 days , woohoo!
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Does anyone even know what kosher is?! I am a conservative jew, and the jews started kosher to keep healthy. Because before we had refrigerators, if you ate meat and dairy in the same meal, you would most likely get sick. if you ate pork which is considered a dirty animal, you would also usually get sick. Kosher also prevented you from drinking from certain wells, and other safety hazards. Today, the only reason that jews keep kosher is to keep the tradition. Just because the family is breaking the laws of kosher, it does not mean that they are not jewish, it only means that they are not orthodox.
Yeah, by that logic, Christians should keep Kosher too... Their Bible might be an extended version, but it's still starts off as the SAME book. Everybody picks and chooses which laws they want to follow and which laws don't fit with contemporary lifestyle... and YES, the pork and shellfish ban is because of health reasons back in those times. You weren't supposed to eat shrimp because they're bottomfeeders or pigs because they walk around in thier own filth... Nowadays, though, we have technology to cook and disinfect the meat we eat, so there is no real reason to follow Kosher law. Conservative Jews only do to be "traditional". - A Reform Jew who loves bacon cheeseburgers