...you're a feminist who doesn't agree with homosexuality? Seriously?

being gay is not a choce, do some research ffs it takes two minutes. *grammar nazis* i don't care, many thanks.

Being gay isn't always a choice, smart one. Attraction is caused by a chemical reaction in the brain. Gays have that chemical reaction around members of the same sex. For some, it's just a matter of personal preference, but mostly it's a chemical thing (which you can't control).

yes seriously

and it is a choice, its unnatural, and dont start with this bullshit that people are born gay, they make the choice when they engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex.

If by "gay" you mean having physical relations with the same sex, then yes, they make the choice when they engage in those acts. But the attraction to the same sex is not a choice. That part is natural. When you turned 13, did you stop and decide "all right...now who do I want to be attracted to? Boys or girls?" No. You didn't. You felt natural attraction to the opposite sex. The same is true with homosexuals. They naturally are attracted to members of the same sex. Homosexuality. Not a choice. Engaging in those acts. Choice. But not a choice that should be disallowed.

Wait, what? Feminist, you think they should have to be with people they aren't attracted to or be alone just so they don't offend the likes of you? And here I thought a FEMINIST would know how it feels to be treated like you're a lesser citizen.

dont even try and compare the opression of women and the "opression" of gays. being homosexual is unnatural, the bible teeaches us this.

The bible also says you can stone your wife if they go against you. Do you agree with that?

Did you SERIOUSLY just tell me to believe a book written by humans as infallible? Wow. Just wow. We've got the gay vs. anti-gay argument, the feminist vs. misogynist argument, and now a religious debate????? **** it. I'm not touching this one. I'm out.

#139, you win. I love you. Ok, maybe I AM touching this one. I hate when people interpret the bible to fit their twisted logic, and ignore the parts that disagree with them. Feminist19, please play in traffic.

play in traffic, that is the what you have to resort to. you sap

Thank you, Intoxicunt (great name by the way). The bible contradicts itself so much that it's easy to diffuse most arguments with other "facts" in the bible.

The Damn Bible also teaches us that abortion, incest, and mass-murder of those that are different than you is A-OK, Not to mention the fact that women are supposed to be second-class citizens, if you were to take the Damn Bible literally. If you are seriously basing your view on that piece of shit book, you should off yourself right now, for the betterment of humanity as a whole.

according to you people who follow the bible should off themselves for the betterment of society, that is easily the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard

And you taking it seriously is typical of a shit-stain like you. Let me ask you a few questions: 1. Would you kill somebody who works on the Holy Sabbath? 2. Would you stone your children if they were disobediant? 3. How about if you were raped? Would you feel spiritually boubd to that man?

Hahahahaha. #139 wins.

i dont have children and i havent been raped yet so i cant comment on them can i? and i go to church i dont work?

Do you ever go grocery shopping on sundays, or out to eat, or to the doctor? Those are all things causing others to work on the sabbath, you know.

sorry dyke i'm a bit all over the place at the moment, what do you want me to respond to

Any/all of the questions I've asked, really.

well that cleaared that up for me, i dont have time to read through all these posts and find yourquestipns in order to answer them for you so either re write them here or pm me and i'll answer today or tomro

I said: The bible also says you can stone your wife if she goes against you. Do you agree with that? Do you ever go grocery shopping on sundays, or out to eat, or to the doctor? Those are all things causing others to work on the sabbath, you know.

if you must know all about me i am not married, i am only 19, on sundays i go to church with my mother and sister and wwe then go visit my grandparents, itsa day for worship and family not work

Alright, that sounds quite nice. How 'bout stoning your wife?

just a point.. no matter what you do, you are causing someone, somewhere to work on the sabbath. just thought i would add that :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Lonely_lez wins this whole thread. Feminist19 doesn't have time to search through the entire dozen or so posts. So you rewrite it. Then she just ignores it. Bahaha. I agree whole-heartedly with everything you've said, lez. Some people just bend the words of a book to defend their position, while ignoring the parts they don't find useful. How can people choose to be so ignorant?

feminist19...honey...the bible didn't come direct by fax from God...when you grow up hopefully you'll realize this

You didn't answer my questions. I asdked if you would stone somebody who works on the Sabbath, or if you would feel spiritually bound to the man that raped you. Next time, answer my questions instead of dodging around them.

She dodges around most of my questions too.

#90 Her being a feminist is irrelevant, it’s not like all feminist are for true equality for everyone. You might as well have said “...you’re a minority who doesn't agree with homosexuality? Seriously?”

#260 (god, there are a lot of comments): fem·i·nism n. 1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. Uh. Yeah. I get what #90 is saying. Feminist19 believes the sexes are equal, and probably is sickened by being treated unfairly, yet she thinks gay people aren't equal and is fine with treating them like dirt? Hypocrite.

Heh, thanks friend. :) That is indeed what I was getting at.

1.That definition is out dated, and needs to be refined to 21 first century standards. 2.There are MANY groups of people who are sick of being treated unfairly, but that doesn’t mean those same groups of people are going to go out and treat everyone else equally. People don’t automatically turn into saints just because they want others to treat them with respect. You obviously missed the point I was making, feminist19 is clearly a hypocrite the point is her being a feminists should not be relevant. As if to say a feminist would never treat others unfairly, just like blacks, jews, muslims,... would never treat others unfairly just based on what they’ve been through.

Ok, Unclever... first of all, groups of people who have been oppressed SHOULDN'T judge/treat other groups unfairly, no one should. These people should be more aware of that because of what they have been through. Fighters for equal rights should fight for EQUAL rights, not "Equal for us but not the queers" rights, just as an example. So yes, because she is a self-proclaimed feminist, I did call her on it.

Your right no one should be judging/treating other groups unfairly, BUT this should come regardless of your own particular group. Yes, they should be more aware but that doesn’t make them immune to doing it themselves. Let’s take for example blacks, I would argue that they have been dealt one of the most harshest blows when comes to racism. This doesn’t mean there isn’t going to be or will never be a black racist. (It shouldn't be a surprise) The same thing would apply to this feminist and feminism, that is to say if they did really fight for equal rights for all.

feminist, Your an ignorant ****. Please walk your WORTHLESS life into oncoming traffic immediately. Thanks.

I'm gay. It is by no means a choice. My parents found out, by no choice of mine. I was going to wait until after I moved out of their house to come out. But as my luck would have it, one day I found my mom snooping through my emails. And all hell broke loose. I thought my dad was going to hit me and I thought they were going to disown me. I stayed out of the house for a couple months after that. It's a tramatic experiance; coming out to parents who are not okay with queer lifestyles. I can understand how hard it is on them too, but I tried to be as accomodating as I could whenever they would bring it up, but it always went south and would end with my stepdad calling me a ****** and whatnot. I now live with my boyfriend. And he isn't out. I've questioned him a couple times about it but I know he isn't ready. Like I said. It can be a very tramatic thing. I'm not into gay rights or anything, I don't believe in gay marriage. I believe in equality but not gay rights. Those two titles have very different meanings. Civil Union is enough I think. I think some things should be different because honestly we are different. Basically I view homosexuality as a type of...mmmm... flaw in the human system. It's not "natural" but there is nothing you can do about it, like being impaired. However there are only a few things to do about it. A) Choose to ignore it be miserable for the rest of your life and probably commit sucide by the time you're 20, B) live a double life and never really be who you are. or C) face the consequenses of being an "Out" homosexual. Someone gay can't control being gay anymore than someone straight being straight. The only thing that I push on anyone is in hopes to make them understand that it is NOT choice to be queer. It is something only you can know and try to understand.

all of that "stoning your wife to death" "selling your first borne daughter into prostitution" "only wearing cotton because it comes from the earth" "thou shall not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, for that is detestable" is all writen in the OLD testament. The reason for the New Testament is for the NEW set of rules for when after Jesus died. The Bible only mentions homosexuality three times, and to my knowledge never in the New Testament. I did my homework. I'm not Christian. (I can't believe in a religion that has the people condemn me an abomination over something I can't control) but I research so I know these things. It looks like a lot of you homophobes who don't know what the hell you're talking about could learn a lot if you learned how to read, but then again. I wouldn't figure a Neanderthall would learn to tap-dance either, so I won't hold it against you.

wow being anti gay is retarted. are you IN the 21st century?

I don't ******* care. I've had way too many negative experiences with fags and I've learned that a lot of them are drug users and plan to do nothing with their lives but have ******* buttsex. So don't reply cuz I don't give a shit about what you have to say.

I had a horrible 3 1/2 year relationship with a black man who's a lazy asshole. However, do you see me saying all black men are lazy assholes? No. The guy I dated just happened to be an idiot. You are generalizing.

There are a lot of heterosexual people who do drugs and do nothing with their lives but have nasty weird sex. And there are those that rape people and murder people... There are a lot of sick people in this world and not all gays are part of that

okay i used the wrong word. being anti gay is stupid.

let me state it like this: male homosexualism is like handball. i don't have anything against people who play it, but am disgusted by the very fact that such sport exists

i agree that's a good way to put it. thank you for being more articulate

so male homosexualism is disgusting but two lesbians is ok?

wow you're misunderstanding. i thought you were saying you were supporting gays but apparently not. i support gays/gay marriage/gay rights. love is love.

love is between a man and a woman. FACT. what two people of the same sex do together is not love. Its just plain disgraceful

Ok so-called feminist...my girlfriend and I love each other very much, and I seriously cannot see myself spending my life with anybody else. It was instant attraction, and we're still going strong, both going through the ups and downs of our parents and their reactions.

i imagine its more downs than ups, there is a reason for this

proving my point. LOVE IS LOVE

how does that prove your point? love is between a man and a woman. you know this. you are probably just tryin to rebel

The feminist19 thing is actually about to make my head explode. You don't HAVE TO AGREE with same sex unions, but you have no right to judge what is and what isn't love. And then to pre-judge this girl's relationship by basically saying "more downs than ups I'm sure". What the **** is that? Go have sex with some guy because if you were getting it tapped right MAYBE you'd be less of a bitch. Seriously, Gays are NOT ANIMALS, they're just wired differently! Jesus H. Chriiiiist!

LET'S KILL ALL THE GAY PEOPLE!!!! GAHHHHH

Oh feminist19...how naive you must be, really. There are ups and downs in every healthy relationship. If there weren't, wouldn't that just be boring? Humans require emotions, not just the positive ones. And since you seem to know so much about me, I'm sure you'd be delighted to know that I've had more happy times in my life since meeting my girlfriend. Please crawl back under your rock.

yup! :D

Feminist: (quote from you) "love is between a man and a woman. FACT. what two people of the same sex do together is not love. Its just plain disgraceful" I believe here that you have just equated sex with love. If I'm misunderstanding please ignore the rest of this comment. Sex and love are not the same. to define "what two people of the same sex do together" implies sex. That would be fine except you labled it as "not love" and made a point with the sentance "love is between a man and woman" Love, between a man and woman, between two men, or between two women, is not "disgraceful." Sex isn't 'disgraceful' either, however you may find it disgusting personally. Finding something disgusting does not make it disgraceful. I find things like foot fetishes disgusting. I wouldn't call them disgraceful. It's very wrong of you to call something disgraceful just because you find it disgusting or you disagree with it. You don't have to agree with something to accept and tolerate it. (This comment was very poorly written. I have headache, so I apologize in advance if I'm not making sense here.)

i was not speaking about just sex, i mean the very idea of it

Then like I said, please ignore the rest of my comment.

Actually, don't ignore the rest of my comment. Just skip to the line that starts "Love, between a man and woman,"

+1, awesome.

how are lesbians another story? your an idiot

You're describing a male transsexual, not a gay man. Being gay is in no way the same thing as being a woman trapped in a man's body and certainly not all gay men have effeminate voices. The truth is, no one is sure why or how exactly about 10% of the population has a genetic predisposition towards attraction to the same sex, but it's definitely not exclusive to men. Any human being can have this predisposition, so therefore no one chooses what gender they are attracted to -- or even if there's an exclusion of EITHER gender. I also don't think there's any Christian agenda for gay euthanasia at this point, but who knows. At least you're trying, though, to be pro-gay rights, even if some of what you're saying is very misguided.

stfu you stupid bitch. You're like 12 and act like you know shit about biology and genetics. Come back after you at least take biology in high school.

lesbians choose to be that way. geese learn something. Ps i am taking biology. I'm very gifted which is a hell of a lot more then you can say if you think im just gonna stand around in the dark because of my age. and please im old enough to have gay frends, a gay chorus teacher, and a lez gym teacher. Everyone who has anything to say to me just go on youtube, watch RENT, and come back to me.

pps my uncle is a homophobe because he believes the bible is the way of life which i don't dissagree to, but it depends on what part it is. If you feel u must correct me thats fine, but shut up if you just think im stupid because even you must admit i know enough for my age.

Ok, first of all, you're not worthy to use RENT to support your arguments. No no no no no no. Secondly, lesbians don't choose to be gay at ALL. You honestly don't know what you're talking about. I know it's hard to comprehend, as you are not a lesbian, but it's not a choice in the slightest. I've tried to be attracted to men, and while I can have small attractions to celebrities on occasion (many more women than men, but there are some) I could not see myself being in a relationship with a man at all. I've tried, I even made up crushes on boys when I was younger so I wouldn't be teased for being gay. It is NOT a choice and once people accept that the world will be much easier to deal with. Also, what the **** do geese have to do with anything?? If you meant "geez" or "jeez" then say that. Not geese. Those are birds.

Oh for ****'s sake... damnit, I read that kid's post (#255) four times trying to figure out what a goose could possibly learn about this situation.

wtfudge is all of ur problem. im a kid. and wat r u twenty and cursing me out. wtfudge is the matter with you people?

My only comment is that rentjen, you said in your first post to "save it for someone who cares" adn then responded because you care. Either way, good on you for trying, and you got a few things right, but you're not quite there yet. Do a bit more research before you state anything as fact.

You might want to learn the difference between cursing "at" someone, and cursing for exaggeration/ effect. I've seen no examples of anyone being derogatory or negative to you on a personal level, only to your views or to certain statements. My post, for example, was an aggravated commentary on my inability to mentally correct a typo.