no OP is just miffed that going to college has not benefited them in the slightest. believe me its the prevailing mood among graduates atm.

haha er no. no one should get paid that much. i have to clean up shit explosions for free as do many parents. i have also worked as a cleaner. the job isnt as hard as they like to pretend it is and i cleaned student halls. i still help clean toilets and take out rubbish now that i work on a reception desk. seriously it is easy unskilled work.

The thing is, they are also trained to fix the toilets. It takes hours of training to learn how to properly install, fix, clean toilets. Plus is a job lots of people would be too disgusted to do. Lots of the "dirty jobs" are positions that pay fairly decent because they are what helps our work places and community function properly.

what makes you think a cleaner is trained to fix toilets? op clearly stated they clean toilets and take out thr garbage. they are not plumbers.

Most janitors are also trained to do minor repairs on toilets, sinks, etc. your experience is with schools, at actual huge places of business, they have a lot more to do than just clean and take out the trash, and my bf can vouch for that. So before you use your shitty student job for an example, realize that this is most likely at an office or a big place of business. My bf works at a convention center and on top of basic cleaning and repairs they also set up and break down every room when it's used which includes a lot of heavy lifting. Most cleaners don't "just clean"

I used to work as a cleaner and i knew how to fix the toilets in the building. I also used to deal with security, and the customer service side of the business.

Just because one job had you just cleaning toilets does not mean other people's jobs are now the same. I have worked several cleaning jobs during summers to help my aunt out and I never had to do more than sweep, clean toilets, and take out trash. However, the people trained in the field and who had years of experience could do minor plumbing work as well as clean. It makes it easier to hire a jack of all trades who will clean, lift heavy objects, fix sinks and toilets, etc.

again read the FML. OP stated that all they did was take the garbage out and clean the toilets. what i did in my job is irrelevant yes but so is the fact that other jobs had people fixing toilets. OP has stated what makes it an FML and it does not involve fixing toilets.

118-So you think op knows their exact job description and responsibilities? Just because that's all op put or knows about them doesn't mean that's what their actual duties are if you believe someone's actually paying $19/hr just to clean up a little mess that place would be getting non stop applications

On top of all that their job has risk of health issues dealing with chemicals, carrying heavy things, and a lot of bending.

That could just be his assumption of what they do all day.

#22, that's why you need to join a union, unless, of course, you live in one of those "Right to Work (for Peanuts)" states.

i have never met a cleaner (including myself) who got higher than minimum wage (jn the uk that is just over £6) getting paid 19 dollars for any job is mental.

It also depends on the company you work for and where you live. Some companies offer higher wages for even the most basic janitorial duties while other companies offer minimum wage for those same basic janitorial duties. Different situations and scenarios are different for everyone as to why they have accepted a cleaning job at minimum wage to above minimum wage. Where I live in my town, incentive for cleaning is huge here. Minimum wage here is $9.95 per hour but most basic cleaning jobs starting are between $12 -$15 an hour.

I work for a union at a power plant and make 27.45 an hour .... Union is the way to go

This is true, maintenance workers tend to be under appreciated. Even though I work for large insurance agency that shares the building with the Oprah Winfrey Network and E! Network television, I chat with the maintenance workers about their families and share pizza and donuts with them. People must be grateful for the fact that they keep our fancy looking buildings so damn nice!

They also live in the UK. Their economy situation and job demands for that country can be very different compared to other countries. You can take a doctor for example: This doctor lives in "country A" and makes $60,000 per year versus the doctor living in "country B" that makes way more for the exact same job at $100,000 per year.

first i am a woman second i have climbed to the position of head receptionist within the same company and no longer clean toilets unless we are very busy. actually i enjoyed it when i cleaned. you got your head down and got on with it and before you knew ot the hift was over i just dont like people dressing up a job as something it is not. i would have been uncomfortablr getting paid that much, leave that pay for docs and nurses you also spelt my name wrong.

Doctors and nurses make way more than $19 an hour where I am from.

then you have some lucky nurses where you live.

Perhaps OP has a very low value position in the company? When a company unionizes, those people are usually eliminated and their work load taken up by the others. Unions hurt the bottom of the work force by removing any financial incentive for companies to keep them. The more you have to pay an entry level worker, the harder you look for an experienced worker you only have to pay a little more.

The OP might be in a very low position in the company. Lower then the cleaning staff apparently. I think that companies try to hire the exact number of people for the job that needs to get done. Therefore the idea that the company hires extra people because they are cheap makes no sense. The jobs will not disappear just because they get wages they can live on. The Young Turks (that I recommend for many reasons on Youtube) made a comment a week or so ago, that if you double the minimum wage, the cost of a cup of coffee will go up by some insignificant amount (14 cents ? not sure on the exact number). Point is that the underpaid wages are a small part of the companies expenses.

Exactly. There's a huge difference between an education and school. The reason why homeschoolers most often become smarter than the average public school student is because the current system fails to give us a proper education. And the time they spend in school is a fraction of what we spend. The current system is flawed and often produces mediocrity level students.

How are you determining the rewards for everyone? I went to public schools and got a decent education. I can assure you that I'm not mediocre in my field.