By fullalove - 10/12/2014 18:34 - United States
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Hey guys. Let me start off by saying how excited I am that I got published! Obviously there is a story behind fml. My husband and I have been together since I was 14, and married since 19 (I'm 21 right now). We have No problems communicating with each other, but we just recently lost a set of twins, which has been really hard on both of us. We have both been dealing with it in our own way, and at times it feels it is tearing us apart. We both have sat down and attempted to work things out together, but at the moment it feel as if nothing will ever be the same. I have shut him out from time to time, which I definitely have tried not to do, but sometimes it feels as if I need to work things out with myself. As for the article, him and I got into it this morning, and I left for work angry. When I got off, I turned on my phone to see the link, which I clicked to the unfortunate page. I did read through it, and it's sad to say I was guilty of a few. I will be working on myself, because I love my husband, and I don't want this tragic event to be the end of us.
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how is nobody else noticing that he's literally blaming her for the problems in their marriage? the article is sexist and outdated and implies that only women are responsible for the marriage falling apart.
If you read OP's post, you see that she says she's been shutting him out in reaction to some deaths. The article isn't implying that women are the only one's destroying relationships in any relationship ever. But men and women do different things when they begin to sabotage a relationship, so it makes sense that an article would be geared towards women and the things they do. I guarantee you there are plenty of articles about how men destroy marriages too, but you won't hear a peep from anyone about them being sexist. I actually looked up the article, and the only point it makes that can be construed as sexist, is the first point because it implies women shopaholics, but really every point in the article can be applied to both sexes. If you just take that first point with a grain of salt, they all are good pieces of advice for both men and women.
So the fact that it tells women to have sex even when they don't want to doesn't strike you as even a little bit horrible? Every time there's a woman on this site complaining about the way her boyfriend/husband turned her down, 90% of the comments are "he's not obligated to have sex with you!" but this article implies that you are, in fact, obligated to have sex with him. Nothing says romance like making sex a chore. Not to mention the fact that yes, I would find an article blaming either gender for the faults in a marriage. It takes two to make a marriage work, not just one making all the mistakes while the other is perfect.
I noticed and was especially troubled after reading OP's follow up. They lost twins and he's blaming her for not grieving in a manner acceptable to him? That ain't right.
Her shutting him out is neglecting his needs too. It's a two way street. Go read her post. Also, withholding affection is a serious issue. Yeah you absolutely have the right to not want sex and say no, but that has ramifications. If you're telling him that you don't want sex, how do you think that effects his self esteem? If you don't want sex with your husband, something is wrong. If you don't feel you should fulfill your husbands needs, then why should he fulfill yours? If you put everything before your husband, shut him out both physically and emotionally, then yeah, that will damage the marriage. No one said the other is perfect, but a marriage is a partnership, and her shutting him out is the exact opposite of what partner should do.
I disagree that something's wrong if you don't always want to have sex with your husband. I'm engaged to a wonderful man who I'm very much attracted to. However, I don't always want to have sex. Sometimes I'm tired, or stressed, or distracted. Are you suggesting that I should just shut my mouth and open my legs and think about my grocery list while he gets his rocks off, because if I don't, I'm hurting his precious ego? What about the times he's playing a game and I want to have sex, should he just turn off the game and give in, even though he's not really into it and just wants to go back to his game? No. That's ridiculous. We're both human, and both have times and emotions that are not going to be good times for physical intimacy. If you can't understand why there could possibly be a reason for not wanting sex that may have absolutely nothing to do with your partner, then I think you're the one with the problem.
Don't deliberately misunderstand me. I'm not saying that not wanting all sex all the time isn't okay. It's perfectly normal to not want sex sometime, and it's perfectly acceptable to say no. In fact it's important to have that communication enough to say no, which some couples lack. The key word here is withholding, which is not the same as not wanting it some of the time. It means not wanting it at all, all of the time. I don't think the article is suggesting that you should be subject to every time your husband gets aroused either, but it is saying that sex and affection are important, and that if you notice a trend that you've just not wanted it for a while, that yes something is wrong. Also, if you're stressed a lot, you know what does wonders for stress? Sex. Like exercise, you may not want to do it when you're stressed, you may not feel like it, but it will actually do wonders for you.
Shenanigan, are you sure you read OP's follow up? The woman LOST HER BABIES. I don't even like kids enough to have any of my own, but I see how it am could be a really ******* traumatic experience. As in, traumatic enough that ANY sort of intimacy, physical or otherwise, might be the last thing on someone's mind. I've lost people close to me, and it didn't take a few weeks or even months for me to feel normal again, and again, those people were not children. OP has every right to feel weird and shitty and disconnected right now. If her husband is that eager to get it on, that's why grocery stores sell hand lotion and tissues.
I understand that her babies died. I'm merely commenting on the article. I'm not saying she should be intimate with her husband. The death of children can be really hard on a relationship, and her reactions are to be expected. She says shutting him out, doesn't mean just intimacy. It means emotionally. He wants to comfort her, because that's also probably what gives him comfort. When he can't do that, he feels powerless.
I'm aware that there is more than one form of intimacy. In fact, my comment alluded to the fact that there are forms of intimacy besides the physical. I'm also one of those people who just needs to be left alone when I'm at a low point. If OP's husband needs someone to grieve with, that's one thing, but it seems like he's blaming her for not needing or wanting his comfort. That's her wiring, she can't help that, and her husband trying to change her healing process to suit his own needs without even acknowledging that they have different healing processes is selfish on his part.
Ironically your reaction to him sending you this will probably fit the criteria of one of the ways you're destroying the marriage. Also read your post OP. So sorry to hear about your loss.
I don't think someone read the follow up...
I'm so very sorry to hear about your loss, OP. I know it has to be harder than I can imagine to go through and I have kids myself. You two should definitely go to grief counseling, both separately and together. You both need support right now while learning how to support each other. I truly hope this experience only winds up strengthening your bond together *huggles*
loosing a child is hard much less two. I know some of what ur going thru. everyone heals differently tho n handles grief in their own way. It's gud that he is attempting to reach u tho. Idk to many men that wld put the effort into actually trying t understand their feelings n convey them. But u should also convey ur the hurt anger sadness everything is a legit feeling. I wld suggest maybe cpl therapy or grief counseling. it's sounds like ur both willingly t try n move forward but have gotten lost n the process. There is no shame n doing therapy together.
At least he's trying to be honest. How about you don't get so offended and read the article to see if he has a point?
I have also endured the loss of miscarriage. I am sorry that you have had to work through this loss. I waited 15 years.... But I found a therapist that specializes in infertility/and loss. It has helped tremendously. When you are ready.
And I also wanted to say. Do not... Do not beat yourself up! It is impossible not to respond in a positive way after a loss. The only work you need to do "on yourself" is to grieve and heal. Everything comes second.
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i think he's trying to tell you something.
Pay attention. Then ask questions for clarification. Not the best way to initiate this sort of conversation but at least he said something.