YOU GOT POINT! Though, sister, you and boyfriend spent toooo long. I can understand wanting to make it perfect and all that but you have to keep in mind how much time you're taking and how much risk you put on something like this happening. He can still pop the question without being currently with her though since he was with her before. Except she might accuse him now of "just saying that"

How do you know that this poor girl didn't spend years telling her boyfriend that she really wanted to get married, only for the guy to keep telling her that he doesn't want to. Try using your imagination. Put yourself in her shoes. Imagine that you've brought up marriage over and over again, but your boyfriend keeps putting the conversation off. Are you really going to risk being humiliated even more by proposing to HIM after he's already shown that he doesn't want to commit? Now imagine that it's been four years - more than long enough for him to decide whether you're worth spending his life with or not - you already know, and you've known for a long time... but he still seems unsure. Can you imagine how shitty it is to feel like your boyfriend doesn't view you as "forever" material, that you're maybe just "good enough" for the time being?

I see your point, but she still could have asked him if it was so important to her. When it comes to possibly humiliating herself, how is that different from a guy risking humiliation to propose?

wow impatient much? why are to desparate to marry?

Ok, I logged in just to reply to this. I usually don't do the whole insult on the internet but you miss are a total bitch. So what if he doesn't propose? there are people who spend their whole lives together without being married. If it was actual love you should not have to wear a ring on your finger in order to be with him forever, husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend, fiance, they are all just titles. If all you want in life is marriage then you need to get out of your ****** up fairy tale dream world and get back into reality where not everyone can afford a ring or isn't ready for that and you should just love them for who they are instead of whether or not the bow to you with a piece of expensive metal in a box! [/Rant]

I hear you brother. My aunt and uncle have been 'boyfriend and girlfriend' for over... 30 years.

Exactly, love is not a matter of money, of rings or anything material.. Love him for who he is, not for how much he spent on a ring...

#45 Then, you're a bitch, ask yourself.

Calm the eff down, Chad. She never said she wanted him to propose just so she could get an expensive ring, so why did you go there? Here's an example for you and DrunkenValor. My friend's parents were unmarried but together for over forty years. Then one year, they decided that they finally wanted to tie the knot. Does that mean they suddenly became shallow and insecure about their relationship? Obviously not. But it clearly became important to them to make these vows to each other. They wanted to perform a symbolic gesture of their commitment to one another. Is it really so hard to believe that for many people, having a proposal and making vows and wearing rings, that performing these symbolic gestures is important and meaningful? What's so bad about wanting that? One last thing about the rings. Look at it from the woman's point of view. You're going to be wearing this thing as a symbol of your husband's love for the rest of your life. You're going to be really f*cking bummed if it looks cheap and ugly. I personally would totally understand if my guy couldn't afford much - my parents started out with nothing, and the diamond my dad bought my mom is so tiny you can hardly see it - the fact that he tried so hard is romantic beyond words. But if my guy was raking in major money and still cheaped out on my ring, I would be bummed.

Seriously dude? Chicks are never "simple". It's complicated or nothing, just the way they are.

Haha, most 'chicks', but not all. Just like not all guys are tools.