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Why do ppl always say op what does that mean
OP stands for original person, meaning the person who posted the FML
No no no, OP is Optimus Prime! It's his code name, it's secret. Shhhh
49- You mean *Poster
I thought it was old potati
That's the kind of student who is going places
Like group therapy. Or art school. Maybe even group therapy IN art school.
wtf, ok. ur gay, ur mental, and u hate nudes is what this kid is thinking. interesting though
That is the definition of art. Pressing buttons, inspiring a reaction. He could be great one day.
"To comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable"
Kid might have some weird fascination with you. Or he could be a troll. Either way give them the grade based on the objectives but make note of how disrespectful and unprofessional it was.
Could have been worse.
How many kinds are there?
I'm so proud of your student right now. That's adorable as hecky. You and the TA are somebodies headcanon. That isn't disrespectful at all. It just means they think you two would be a good couple and they're a bit pervy and want you guys to do the sex. It's actually a pretty normal thing when you're a fan of a T.V show to "ship" chatacters. Less normal for real life, but it's a thing. TL; DR: be flattered, not offended. .
It could still be creepy. Depending on the age of the student, and also lots of people are not comfortable with having stuff like that made about them. It's kinda creepy for a lot of people that didn't grow up with "fan fics/pics". Lots of people probably would not be thrilled that someone is drawing erotic fan fiction about them particularly yaoi stuff.
I was into yaoi and of the like at 13, I really feel like age doesn't matter. And that's why I was saying it's a compliment. I'd be more interested in why the ship rather than the art.
OP and the TA are not some characters on a TV show that were shipped by a random but talented fan. They are professionals and the "fan" is a student. It's extremely inappropriate and, yes, creepy. OP has every right to find the picture offensive.
Um, what? OP should be flattered that the student drew him being in love with a real person who he probably has no interest in (which is even worse if OP isn't actually gay)? Leave shipping to fictional characters, not REAL people. It's not cute, sometimes it can be disrespectful and rather uncomfortable for the people involved.
#93 That's fine by me as I don't like children, and being your children they're probably as boring as you anyway. As for the rest of you, isn't that just a bit prudish? Why be uncomfortable? Just because someone drew him having gay sex doesn't mean anything. It's not like they snuck into the bedroom and drew it in real time. OP just needs to take it for what it is, a picture drawn by a student with either a sense of humor or a student that's hinting that they would be a good couple. It's really a no harm no fowl situation. Like sure, I can see how it can be uncomfortable if you're a homophobe, but seriously just laugh it off as one of those things. I still think OP's student is amazing and I would 100% be friends with them because of this.
"Just because someone drew him having gay sex doesn't mean anything." Uhm, at the very least its concerning for the teacher as to what the child is thinking about, and as a parent I would want to find out why and how my child is fixated enough to draw a very detailed and graphic picture of adults having sex. This could indicate emotional and mental instabilities. "Like sure, I can see how it can be uncomfortable if you're a homophobe..." Nice hyberbole; just because I worry doesn't mean I hate. "...but seriously just laugh it off as one of those things." Like when this kind of disturbing art graduates into full blown sexual assault or harassment or stalking? Yeah I'll be laughing and shrugging "oh you!" when he gets arrested. " It's really a no harm no fowl situation." Oh wait....are you playing with me? Fowl? Did you just make me reply to your trolling? 10/10 if so; I appreciate good aggravation now and then.
Being uncomfortable with someone imagining you nude is not being a prude. I hate the whole mentality that Tumblr has created where you're free to ship anything you want and because you want to do it its okay. Example: people threatening Martin Freeman's wife because she "gets in the way" of WatsonxSherlock, and then screaming homophobe at anyone who says that's not appropriate. Just because someone is uncomfortable being represented in a sexual manner, doesn't mean that he is homophobic; especially considering that OP would likely be uncomfortable even if the TA was a woman. The point is that OP is the teacher, in a position of authority over the TA and the student, so any sexual reference to either of them is very inappropriate. I wouldn't be flattered if a student had drawn me naked any more than you probably would be if you found out that the creepiest kid in your grade goes on your Facebook and masturbates to your profile picture. No one wants to be subjected to sexualization like that. And before you jump in and say that women are sexualized all the time, so its fine for a man to be sexualized, stop. There is a major difference between sexualizing a gender (which is obnoxious and causes general problems for everyone) and sexualizing an individual that you know personally, which causes problems for that person and may even endanger their job if people start to question the nature or the relationship between OP and the TA because of this. Not because its a homosexual representation of the relationship, but because it'd be a matter of authority, which is illegal in many places and may even be considered sexual assault, regardless of consent. The point is, shipping real people is 100% not okay.
Just because somebody finds sex natural and interesting and beautiful and wants to draw it doesn't mean shit. It just means they have two interests and they put them together. And most people have emotionl problems in some form or another anyway, so that's really dumb. I will never see the big deal because I'm layed back with these things. If some creepy guy wants to whack off to my profile pictures I'm not offended by that. if somebody drew me with another girl or a plant or a horse. Awesome, they're expressing themselves. And people that don't like being imagined naked? Really? come on.. We are born naked. before clothes we were naked for millions of years. If you've seen one body with parts you've pretty much seen them all my friends. Granted shapes and sizes differ, but it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to visualize the variations. And drawing a picture will hardly lead to stalking. That's like saying a compliment on physical appearance will turn into rape. Spoiler alert. I've told plenty of females that I like their breasts or hips or whatever and I've complemented men as well. I've never stalked, raped or sexually assaulted anyone. And really, it's just a picture. Just. A. Picture. Nobody will think that he's gay. Nobody will assume anything between the two because that's just really silly. And if that's what people assume, then they're idiots.
Alright so two major things that you totally ignored are actually two of the most important points. First of all, this is a school, meaning a professional relationship and a standard of a professional relationship is needed. As a teacher, it's expected that students respect you and hold you at a level of esteem and respect that professional boundary that means that certain topics and subjects are off limits; sex being one of them. Sex is held at a level in the education system that, if not being studied for education's sake, means that sex has no place in school. Sex goes beyond the acceptable personal-professional boundary and while whatever people do in their free time is up to them, it is not acceptable. The assignment was anatomy, which you discuss. Anatomy is natural and it is studied in art and in science and that's fine, however, sex is more obscene and vulgar and the student clearly did not respect that line. As well, I don't think it's your place to say that OP shouldn't be uncomfortable. Believe it or not, just because you're okay with being sexualized, that doesn't mean that everyone else is. Everyone has their own levels of comfort and OP was clearly not okay with it, and that's what matters. If someone is very likely not going to be okay with being represented in a certain manner, and you do it anyways, not only are you disrespecting their feelings and boundaries, but you're also violating their sense of bodily anatomy; that is to say, the ability to have a say in what does or does not affect and represent them. When it comes to celebrities, we tend to think of them as more of public property, as we don't know them personally and we see their images daily, so the line is more blurred. However, as a private individual, you expect some sense of privacy and a certain amount of respect to not be degraded and subjected as a part of someones sexual fantasy, especially in such a public form such as a painting that anyone could see. TLDR: Teachers are professionals and school is a professional environment that sexual images and pornography has no place in, and if someone isn't cool with being sexualized like that and you do it anyways, you're a pretty shitty person.
"sex is more obscene and vulgar" No it ******* is not. This is where my main issue is, people that say crap like this. Sex is normal. Sex can be pleasurable. Sex can be fun. Sex is a fundamental human instinct and experience. What sex is not; obscene, vulgar, derogatory. Sex isn't something to be hidden away and shamed about. Sex to me is the same as taking a shit or eating, It's a thing that everyone does. You say I'm a shitty person, but I think your views on sex are pretty shitty too. I really don't think there's anything to feel uncomfortable about here. OP clearly stated he is not gay. That makes that picture a work of fiction, a made up scenario and a situation that would never happen. It would be like me getting all uppity because (and I mentioned this before) someone drew me having sex with a horse. I wouldn't worry about it because it has zero chance of happening. Again, it's just a picture. A drawing (which was well drawn and not just a crude disrespectful stick figure with a name being passed around the class). The student didn't force the TA's dick up into his anus (or vice versa). I respect people that earn my respect. I don't give a flying **** who you are or what you do. I will not respect people I think are idiots and I sure as hell won't respect somebody just because they have authority over me. I will tolerate them at best (and not very well at times). It would be a different issue if the student had drawn themselves with a teacher. That's where I would see the whole professional thing come into play. But teachers doing the do doesn't mean anything. There were plenty of teacher couples during my time at high school. Also I don't even think this would be an issue is we were talking about university or something. This is all a stupid power thing because high school is ****** up and the students are still treated like children (which a majority aren't anymore) Also, you say pornography has no place in schools, but it does (shouldn't, but does). Do you really think there aren't kids with skin mags and phone **** that have sex and brag about it to each other? I hung around guys exclusively, let me tell you... Once they were installing an air conditioner in the school and there was an unfinished hose sticking up from the roof and all the guys laughed because "they're giving the school a sex change". Right there is a perfect example of the male mind and how anything can be turned dirty.
I think the thing here is that you think that just because you're okay with something everyone should be too. And that because you aren't offended or there hasn't been a threat to you or that you don't have children, you don't have to understand or recognize that these dangers could (and most likely do) exist. "And most people have emotionl problems in some form or another anyway, so that's really dumb. " Really? Nice argument. This is called moral displacement and is used to remove any sort of responsibility to recognize that you are being insensitive. You are using the assumption that everything everywhere is shit (in this case emotional health) and therefore that justifies moral decline and decadence, instead of facing that people could have real issues. Unless you have proof to back it up, keep away from making absolute statements like this. Poor argument and the 'really dumb' at the end makes you sound like you're 12. "And people that don't like being imagined naked? Really? come on.." Yes really; just because we don't like the same things as you or find things uncomfortable, especially that involves CHILDREN, doesn't mean we don't have a right to an opinion. For a laid back 'open minded' person you seem to be pretty ignorant about people who do have different standards and wishes. "That's like saying a compliment on physical appearance will turn into rape. Spoiler alert. I've told plenty of females that I like their breasts or hips or whatever and I've complemented men as well. I've never stalked, raped or sexually assaulted anyone. " STILL you use these hyperbolas and ill fitting comparisons. Just because it didn't happened to you doesn't mean it won't happen to anyone else. Contrary to your world, there is actually evidence that drawing and art CAN be signs of violent behaviour. Look at research on serial killers and mass killers (Harris and Klebold). A compliment IS VERY DIFFERENT to an explicit drawing. Saying "you look nice" is different from saying "Hey baby I'm gonna tear your ass in two!!". STOP MAKING BAD COMPARISIONS. Very poor argument indeed. "Just. A. Picture. Nobody will think that he's gay." I NEVER SAID THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. I don't care about the TA and teacher's reputation. I care about the child's mindset and the possible developmental issues he may have. This is unhealthy for him and he needs help. Learn to read the argument before you start typing! Totally unrelated and unnecessary. Very bad arguments and bad comparisons; using personal experience is pathetic and not objective at all. Using hyperboles and bad comparisons lets you down and name calling makes you look 12. Lots of hypocrisy about open-mindedness and all around confusion about what my arguments are. I give you a 4/20 for this writing, and even then I think its too generous. PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Why do you assume that the student is a he? If anything, it's probably a she. She's probably just someone that likes gay sex and was being funny. It's really not that much of an uncommon thing in the manga and anime scene. I always brought my yaoi to school to read in breaks. If I could draw I would draw everything with a penis with everything else that has a penis. I have plenty of times imagined all my dude friends together because it makes me laugh and sometimes it's really hella cute. I really don't give a **** if I come across as insensitive or 12 or an asshole or blank. I think people that react to things in that manner are prude-ish and I have no desire to be friends with them. I serious think OP is overreacting and without more information we can't make an informed judgment. We don't know the student's age or gender or even the position of the people in the drawing, which would say a lot about their mental state. Maybe OP was offended but the picture was very tastefully done (for gay sex anyway). I'm giving the student the BOTD (benefit of the doubt) I think it was probably tasteful enough for a school project and OP is just the conservative type (which I still think is dumb) Every single time I was uncomfortable with something people always told me to get over it. So I did. These are the rules by which I live my life. I never once said OP couldn't be uncomfortable, just that I don't think he should and I think it's hella dumb he is. I think you're looking way too into things and like making problems where there isn't any. If OP wants a real solution, tell the student "I don't think this is appropriate so I'll give you X time to do it again"
Also, I'm seriously done with this. It's clear we'll never see eye to eye on the matter because clearly you're more conservative than I.
"Why do you assume that the student is a he?" It doesn't matter it doesn't change my argument. "I always brought my yaoi to school to read in breaks." Again, NO ONE CARES ABOUT ANECDOTES. I don't and other people you're trying to win with argument don't either. This is because most people feel threatened by and don't understand what you're talking about, so normalizing through personal stories doesn't help. YOU NEED TO USE LOGIC. Having a clear sequential argument that takes baby steps to your conclusion is best; people will listen if they can understand and see where you are coming from and going to. Personal stories just make people shrug and say "******* freak!." It leaves you open to personal attacks and gets in the way of proving them wrong. "I really don't give a **** if I come across as insensitive or 12 or an asshole or blank. I think people that react to things in that manner are prude-ish and I have no desire to be friends with them. " And this is where you ultimately fail. You are trying to convince me of something, yet you don't care for my perspective, and you don't care what I think about you. What kind of bullshit strategy is that? How is that even an argument when one of the parties totally disregards the stance and perception of the other? This is what you immature tumblr warriors need to stop doing. HURR DURR GET OVER IT ASSHOLE CONSERVATIVES **** YOU I DO WHAT I WANT!!!!!!!! and then when people dismiss you and continue to resent you, you cry WAAAH WEE NEED ACCEPTANCE HALP STOP BEING BIGGOTSSS!!! In the end you get in the way of what you are trying to achieve and you have no else to blame but yourself. You need to accept that some people will just be ignorant and die that way and will never accept you. However there are others who could listen to you if you weren't so militant and emotional. You hurt your cause by immediately seeing them as an enemy instead of a potential ally that just needs to be educated and made comfortable with your argument. However you treat them like that and they not only are uncomfortable but now angry with you for picking on them when they try to open up and understand. I know it isn't fair and that if anything you are the oppressed one who has been ridiculed your whole life. That's life. Get over it. You won't change anything by constantly screaming about your maltreatment; however when you rise above the emotional level of anger and resentment, you can argue better, clearer and will be more deadly as you can make your opponent look like a ******* idiot with no logic, no sense and no sensitivity. Martin Luther King said 'Let no man pull you so low as to hate him." If you want acceptance and understanding, you must appear more clearheaded and detached to show that the bigoted dicks have no reason not to agree with you. Sorry about the long rant but I see this more and more often on the internet and it is a giant waste of effort and time and sets everything back. A lot of passionate people are hurting. They've been bashed for their sexuality. They've been raped. They've been ostracized and maligned for who they are. They have a right to that anger; I am not saying they should not be angry. However, in reality it gets in the way of convincing argument and dialogue which is so lacking everywhere in society. Bigots pick on this and say "See! They are crazy freaks!" We can't afford to give them that power. We need to toe the line of our position and not back down or over step it. "I serious think OP is overreacting and without more information we can't make an informed judgment. " Much better position. You aren't using absolutes and considering that there isn't enough information to make absolute judgments by you or the opponent. "I'm giving the student the BOTD (benefit of the doubt) I think it was probably tasteful enough for a school project and OP is just the conservative type (which I still think is dumb) " Very good! Giving BOTD is always higher ground positioning, but don't use 'dumb'. Take the higher ground by saying you are 'disappointed' or that it is 'unfortunate'. It makes OP look like a social failure and that your standards are higher. "Every single time I was uncomfortable with something people always told me to get over it. So I did. These are the rules by which I live my life." I'm sorry people were dicks to you. You have a right to be uncomfortable and you don't have to do things just because you are uncomfortable with them. No one has a right to your body or mind or emotions just by telling you to 'get over it.' If you don't want to do something then don't. It doesn't make you a prudish uptight person; it makes you human with real boundaries and rules and standards, and then when you want to break out the yaoi or the slash or the shipping, it's because you CHOSE to, not because you felt pressured to do it. "I never once said OP couldn't be uncomfortable..." You need to be clearer with this position at the start, It's a killer position and shows you are more accepting from the beginning and your opponent cannot make you out to be an inconsiderate person who is out of touch with OP. "I think you're looking way too into things and like making problems where there isn't any. " Excellent. You have found my strategy of picking on several things at once to distract or occupy. In internet arguments always go to the heart of the matter and don't get bogged down by bullshit opponents throw at you. Well I'm done. Over 900 words WTF? Anyway I'm on the back end of completing an essay so the writing juices are flowing. I won't reply here but if you got anything to add just message me and we can talk that way. Peace!
Pretty much everyone has addressed everything, but what I think is disgusting is your blatant and complete fetishizing of homosexual relationships. "Hella cute" because it's gay sex? You're entitled to your opinion but I personally think that you automatically think that the pornography is "cute" without even seeing it. OP (no offense to OP, just making a point here) could be a crusty wrinkly old man. Is it still "hella cute"? Or are you just imagining both parties as thin, hairless, young attractive men? I think the fact that you're fetishizing real people, and in fact a whole group of people, is disgusting. People are people, not your shipping material and sexual fantasy material.
Clever, talented student. Take it lightheartedly and give them an honest grade. They have smarts and a sense of humor, despite how they may seem.
seriously? a student making a lewd sketch of the teacher, no matter how "well-drawn", should be reprimanded. Being talented is no license to be disrespectful.
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As my father once told me: "Son, I appreciate all artwork, though I don't always agree with it."
Guess you could say it was a hard decision;)