Having an opinion and talking shit are two different things. Just because you like it doesn't mean everyone else has to accept it. You can go into lengthy arguments all you want, I still think they're stupid and unnecessary and quite juvenile.

I did not know that trying to defend a certain viewpoint against an onslaught of... let's say condescending behavior... was wrong. Ha, thanks for enlightening me. I owe you the world for that. Having an opinion and talking shit are two different things, you're right on that (and not much else). I was simply stating my opinion. Do you think you're right for expressing yours and I'm wrong for expressing mine? Do you think I'm talking shit while you express your opinion, when in reality we're doing pretty much the same thing? If you think lowly of all that I described, whatever. You stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours. That's all I'm really asking for (reread the last sentence in my original comment). I just don't want you saying it's "stupid and unnecessary and quite juvenile" without giving justification in a at least semi-respectful way. For me, that's were the line between stating opinion and talking shit begins. I was stating my opinion. That is why I gave everybody a description of how stuff goes down at concerts like the one OP went to. You just went into bitch mode. But even then you have a right to your opinion, and I do to mine. Just try to make yours more respectful and actually back them up so people will give a flying **** about you. Take care. m/

Here's my flying ****: "stupid and unnecessary and quite juvenile." sums it up quite well. You don't become intellectual through violence, think how the world would be if that were the case. There really is no real need for a moshpit. It's juvenile because it's merely something happening because someone thought it'd be a good idea and fun to start a fight. So there's your back up words things.

Sigh, OK. The first part of your comment is incredibly condescending and quite rude. "you're right on that (and not much else)" With which you follow "I was simply stating my opinion" Opinion : a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. Meaning my comment wasn't based around facts. Just personal /belief/ I never said you were wrong for expressing your opinion, not once. "You stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours." Can grown adults not have a discussion without there being some form of tension from this point on? My comment was far from being disrespectful. It wasn't rude or hateful in any way. What is "bitch mode"? You first say that we are saying the same things, then continuously call me out for being a certain way. The last part of your comment is incredibly contradicting.

Hmmm, I ended up trying to clarify things and I end up being both a pariah and apparently devil's advocate too :( . Well in any case, people are in mosh pits to have fun. They don't exactly have a masterminded plan to replace school with pits as the primary source of higher education. The way you describe it, you make it seem as if moshing is a gigantic plague threatening to rob the world of all known progress in the near future. I can assure you that is not the case. For that see bigotry. Thank you for listening. :D .

Well said, I didn't think you were shoving your opinion in anyone else's face. It's a concert and of course mosh pits are going to happen especially with high energy music such as heavy metal. And like it was stated above they're quite easily avoided if you don't want to be a part of them. Hatin' on all the hate!!!(well not so much that as condescending)

I'm going to have to agree with everyone and add this; I have been to MANY concerts where I just happened to being standing in the wrong place when a mosh pit started and some jackass comes and shoves me unprovoked. I'm here to enjoy the music, not to be manhandled by some jerk. Hell, I've even been drinking at a bar table, SITTING, when some people decided to mosh, shoved each other into our table, and knocked all our drinks all over us. Point is, moshes are often not contained and affect the people trying to enjoy the music (in a non violent way) around them. It's asinine and juvenile in my opinion.

I responded to an argument above with my opinion, but I'm adding to it down here. :)  mrah, the type of pit you described is ideal, and if it was the norm, I'd see no problem with moshing. However, my experiences are closer to justanotherbird's than to what you've described. Unless something has changed since I last attended that type of show, it's impossible to predict where a pit will form, and it's not always an easy thing to get away from it in a tight crowd. As someone with physical issues who could be easily seriously hurt, I wouldn't be able to take the risk. Even if I bought up-front passes, I wouldn't be able to use them, solely because of the mosh pits. That's when it becomes a problem-- when it prevents others from enjoying the show how they'd like to.      

There's nothing wrong with a mosh pit in the right context, and if it's got at least a decent proportion of people with their heads screwed on who will lead the way with those 'unwritten rules'. For that exact reason, it's not the place for some kid at their first concert. Hang back, watch what's happening. Have a bit of a go if you want, but remember it is a dangerous place to be, and bad things can happen. When they do inevitably happen - don't whine. If you think you're hard core enough to be in a mosh pit, you should be hard core enough not to bitch about getting hurt in one.

You guys are all just speaking out of your own experiences, right? Just because someone has never had a good mosh experience, doesn't make a mosh bad; and just because someone has lived through good moshes, it doesn't make it right for everyone. You can't step into the other person's shoes, so really... if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

If I don't, will you tie my hands behind my back and gag me?

so true for me moshing is the best part at underage shows all the people in the mosh are cool with eachother and all understand what it's gotta be like so if someone falls you Pick em up (even the bands promote that) and if someones crowd surfing put em to the front if you get hit too bad stand back if you don't want to risk it but at the all ages shows that's all different wellfrom what iv seen it's more circle pits and shit with dudes hardcore dancing and punching meh idc stand back at them ones and god it's a mosh pit ofcourse your gonna get shoved so what anyway it's the best experiance for me espeacialy getting up on shoulders and grabbing band members hells yeah got another gig on saturday ^.^ people should quit bitching if you don't like it shut up and get out of the way or get seats oh and shattered for the kid who got elbowed ouch

Your right, you don't have to accept it. You also don't have to go around talking shit about it, asshole..