By ecuboy - 26/10/2010 16:49 - United States
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To answer some questions: I attend a public university (ECU), and the professor teaches closed-minded ethics. If you take anybody's cultural background or own personal beliefs into consideration when determining if what they did was morally right or wrong than you are wrong. There are no gray areas and there are no extenuating circumstances to change that in his mind.
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write to the Dean stating that it's an ethical argument weather your morals should match your professors just because he teaches the subject does not mean he can impose his views and not consider any others even if they do not conform to what is subjectively the norm keep it anonymous to be safe though
I can basically 99.9% guarantee the professor is a liberal extremist, and the OP is probably more conservative, and of course we all know how terrible that is. Surely if you have conservative ideas your morals are wrong!
or, you know, it could be a radical conservative who doesn't agree with his liberal student's morals. Why is it that only a leftist can be forcing morals on others?
my experience would say the complete opposite. i know someone whose teacher, a christian conservative, failed them for writing a paper criticizing christianity's impact on society. the teacher lied saying that the paper was never turned in. then laughed to the writers face about it.
True. my teacher right now told us that AIDS was invented in a laboratory by Christians who were afraid of black people. I said "well I guess it worked since no Christians have AIDS, only black people!" and she's been up my ass ever since. She is a crazy racist left-wing Black Panther who thinks that all white people should burn. College professors can be downright INSANE! And they're teaching the youth of our nation...
As inclined as I am to click the "I agree, your life sucks"-button, I still have to say that I tend to at least acknowledge the professor's decision. I have no idea about who had which position in the argument about what, so it may equally be true that the professor has the "wrong" ethics. For example, if he (or she) were a professor of economics and would be all for cutting down rain forests, burning up the last oil reserves and fishing the oceans empty simply because he himself would not live long enough to see the end of it, then his rating your differenting opinion unethical would be deeply distrubing. On the other hand, since the professor in question is actually the ethics professor, there is quite a chance he is well educated in all questions ethical. There are not many things that have not been thought about before, only the parameters change. ("curbstomping the grandma", as #3 suggested, might have been the "sending the old house slave to die into the Colosseum"-discussion roughly 2000 years ago.) Also, younger people usually are less ethical than older ones. It's just natural, they haven't experienced as much in life, to them, the big human cataclysms are further away in the fogs of the past than to the older ones (wars, famines, pandemias and the like). Also, younger people are more hungry to prove themselves and therefore tend to try surpassing their parents in recklessness. It's like a competition between generations, decades apart. Last but not least, it is part of the professor's job to educate the students, and that might have been a lesson. You might not have liked it, but that's how it works in the academic world. You're free to prove him wrong - which is admittedly practically impossible in ethical issues, I guess. So: The experience must have sucked majorly, and I'm with you on that. But also, ask yourself why the professor did decide to give you a D, knowing you will be pissed about it. Maybe you really have a very exotic opinion and no good arguments for it.
If the students moral views were not so socially unacceptable wouldn't it then be unethical to give him a 'D' for having different values? Just because this professor holds a degree doesn't change the fact that the professor's behavior may have also been unethical. If the student really did think that rape is acceptable, or that it's ok to curb-stomp elderly relatives then of course he can't expect to make a good grade;however, I don't think that's very probable. We humans may be more reckless in our youth, but we do have a clear understanding of what is acceptable and unacceptable in our society. Since the OP made it to college it's also safe to assume that he, like the average college student, possesses above average intelligence in comparison to others from his general area.
Short and simple, your writing intimidates me from my iPhone.
I think many people see ethical behaviour as a linear thing, as if a decision A is more ethical than decision B. As if points for ethical behaviour would be dished out and the person with the most points is the most ethical one. But this is clearly not the case with ethics. The subject borders closely to philosophy, and for sure there is no clear answer to many given settings. Take the famous Star Trek example: Is it really better to have a small number of people die (Spock) in order to save more people (the crew of the Enterprise, which would blow up otherwise)? If it seems like that in this simplified example, is this still valid in all other possible situations and can be made a moral rule? (It can not, see Germany and the Jews in the 3rd Reich.) So, can there ever be a measuring of ethical values? I am pretty sure that's very difficult, since there's not ever a fixed position to build up from. Wouldn't the end of human existence be better for planet Earth? If so, all moral discussion that's based on a living human society would already be presumptuous. I guess discussing ethics evolves into an infinity loop quite quickly if it is done by people with only half an understanding of the concept - like me and most others here. I personally think that there's about a 3rd of a chance that the professor decided to use his upper hand because of reasons we will never know and a 3rd of a chance that he discovered flawed arguments in the test and a 3rd of a chance that the poster really has a strange position which he didn't convey logically coherent enough. I guess you're right, there seems to be no real security about if anyone was right at all. On the other hand, if this were law school, anything seems to be possible as long as the argument is convincing... :-)
I am sorry if I didn't find the right words or if my syntax is jolting . English is not my native language.
Scumbag liberal professors. They're there to instruct, not to force their doctrine down your throats. They make me sick.
Liberal professors do that very thing constantly, so the assumption is not unfair.
to assume makes an ass out of you and me. i think thats the saying. anyways, my personal experience says that conservatives do this more.
Indeed. Pull your head out of Glen Beck's sack and realize that most left-wing people actually think before they speak! Unlike SOMEONE...
It's bone headed to assume that the professor is liberal, or that being liberal is somehow bad. There are bad people and good people within the wide variety of philosophies. You show yourself as being close minded and ignorant in condemning someone without any real argument. Labeling someone is not making a logical argument.
Ah but RedPill, politics, religion and all philosophical debates in the US have turned into basically supporting a football team rather than rational thought. If you're not with us, you're against us. It's not necessary for a Packers fan to analyse the reason that someone else might support the Vikings, they just know deep in their heart they're Favre-loving scum (despite the fact that five minutes ago, they themselves were Favre-loving patriots). The same goes for US domestic politics. Labels are all that is needed. PS - before I find myself barred from the Midwest, that was just an example. The reader can choose their own personal prejudices.
lolz
This doesn't shock me, actually. Maybe it's because I'm a med student? If I started saying that I'm for making experiments on anaware patients for the sake of scientific progress for instance, you bet I'd be getting the ax for having "wrong moral values". Depends on what you were saying.
Finally an opinion I agree with. I had a flashback to legal ethics and you would definitely fail if your moral values were wrong. That is pretty much the definition of ethics. I imagine medical ethics are much the same. If you are being taught the Hippocratic oath but you feel old people should be an exception, the professor would be remiss if he did not advise you about your lack of morals. Same for business ethics. I'm not sure what type of ethics class this was but it may well be the instructor's job to ensure your moral values are in line with industry practices and standards.
It DOESN'T matter what you're morals are. You can take the entire school to court for that. Talk to the dean.
It's an ethics class. Of course the morals matter.
that sux
Errr whatever..
Go to the Dean. The purpose of an ethics class is not to tell you what to think or believe and the professor cannot grade you based on your morals whatever they are.
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wow what a bitch. that is completely wrong and you should definitely report it! hopefully the problem can be resolved and u can either retake it or have it graded more fairly... she could get fired for that =
I completely agree that your professor is messed up. The same thing happened to me in my religion class. I told my teacher that I did not believe anything we were learning, and she gave me a F on the next test.