By Ouka - 27/05/2015 09:18 - Germany
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OP here :) First of all, thank you all for your advice! I'm afraid though, that it's a rather small company (around 10 full time employees) so we don't have an HR departement. I'm not sure about the difference between "being fired" and "being laid off", but my situation could be described as: "being fired because my company decided to save some money and that they didn't need someone on the position I'm currently working at." Here in Germany we get ALG (Arbeitslosengeld, roughly translates to "unemployment money") for a year after working for at least two years. It's around 60% of the persons original salary. The catch is: you only get it, if you're fired or quit for (very) good reasons (harassment, threats, etc.). If you quit without one of those reasons you don't get anything for 1-3 months. Also you don't get it for 3 months if you're fired because of anything you did (stealing, forgery...) So it's a tricky situation right now. I wrote my boss an email explaining most of the things you stated (that I feel uncomfortable forging his signature, for example) and asking whether it wasn't possible for me to just write the notice and have him sign it as soon as he's back. This way I have to set the date back, because I can only be fired with a 2 months' notice which isn't stricly legal, but he agreed to it. He isn't really that bad of a person, actually that whole idea came from HIS boss and he was just the unlucky messenger. So yeah, I'm going to write the notice and put it on his desk to sign once he gets back and hope, the whole mess turns out alright.
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Swandive235
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Swell guy, sorry bout that OP
See the bright side! Who trusts their employee enough to do that!
Just refuse to forge his signature, on the grounds that it's illegal. If he tries to push it, just take it to HR, or to someone higher up in the company
either way he's going to fire you OP. either for forging his signature if you do do it or he's going to make something up if you don't. Save whatever he said proving he told you to forge it. if you have no proof send a text saying "I dont want to get in trouble for forging your signature" he will send something back proving that he initially told you and then go straight to HR. Like I said either way he's going to fire you, you might as well leave fighting.
and you just do it? without taking this to court or anything?
Sorry to be a noob, but what exactly is enforced redundancy?
Damn son now that's some savage stuff right there.
Oh where do I begin? Yes forging signature is illegal. So if you have evidence then hold onto it. Secondly; you writing your own letter means you can dictate the TERMS of the redundancy. Meaning you can work out your entitlements. Thirdly, rather then forging his signature, create the letter and EMAIL it to have him sign (followed by a "p.s. I'm concerned that forging your signature on this letter as you suggested isn't practical as I don't know what yours looks like and I don't know if you're being serious when you asked me. Can you please clarify what exactly it is you want me to do?" Obviously I'm setting him up with that email. Remember - emails are stored online for years even after deletion and are legal tender in court.
Mysterious_one
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HR
Promote yourself! Just use his signature
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Write and sign a notice for his early retirement and pop that in the post while you are at it. FYL
Sounds like a great boss...maybe you should forge his signature on the approval for your resignation?