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Even IF it was all on your boyfriend not proposing, how does that make him a deadbeat loser?
To all the people who don't get why someone wouldn't want to get married I'll copy one of my comments regarding this topic hee on FML: It's not just a paper and a ring. There are lots of other reasons for disliking the concept of marriage. Married people have lots of privileges especially the tax privileges but also lots of other rights and things are way easier for them e.g. when you have kids or if you want to adopt one. Then not everybody is allowed to marry. Marriage was used for oppressing women until recently or still depending on the country we are talking about. Here you didn't get a damn appartment as a single woman and when my parents were married my father could quit my mothers job without her knowledge or consent. Women were refused proper education because they would marry anyways. Rape within marriage wasn't illegal until the late 90s. It is still expected for women to give up their surname. The tax laws mostly lead to women giving up their jobs or only working part time. Different countries: Child brides, arranged marriages, fulfil their duties as wives, not being able to get a divorce. And then there are those clichees you can see in action here: A girls biggest dream is to get married and the man's life is over after marrying. And the religious take on marriage. For the imprisonment: If you are in a relationship you can say goodbye at any times and you don't have to do anything else or just move out. Divorce is quite complicated with regard to money, living seperately but still married, paperwork, children, etc. So why on earth should everyone either support it or think of it as "just a paper and a ring"?
EDIT: sorry, realized after posting how much I wrote...don't mean to lecture, I just have a really hard time condensing what I say. Anyways.... To be fair, I think a lot of those points depend on where you live... For example, in my country, many regions will consider you common law once you have lived together for 2+ years. This means (in many areas) you get the same tax benefits as married couples, but it also means that if you separate things WILL be more complicated (ie: splitting of possessions) so separation becomes roughly as difficult as if you were married (especially if you have both signed a mortgage/lease, have kids, etc...). In other regions, you will NEVER be considered common law (no matter how many years, though some exceptions if you have children together) which means no tax benefits and less say in case of spousal death/illness, but easier time splitting up. So while I'd agree the unfair tax benefits are reason to criticize marriage policies there, I can certainly understand why some people would marry for those reasons (while waiting for things to change). And of course there are other practical reasons to marriage (ie: immigration). As for marriage being used to oppress women...I think that certainly has a lot of truth in it (both in the past, and in the present in certain areas as you have said). But I think whether that makes marriage "wrong" forever, is just a matter of views. In the past (and even presently in certain cases) things like pseudo-science has been used to "prove" the inferiority of women, and evolution was used to "justify" racist beliefs. And there are countless similar analogies that could be mentioned...I think the oppression of women via marriage (similar to via science, business, war, etc...) speaks more of the culture/belief of those societies, than of the thing itself. If you live in a more progressive country, many of those old laws and beliefs no longer apply (ie: where I live, it is more common to meet women who have kept their family names than those who have not) so I suppose whether you feel marriage would support sexist beliefs in your country is up to debate. As for the religious take on marriage...if people add a symbolic meaning to their marriage (ie: representation of humanity and god, or eternal marriage, or whatever) then I don't see why that's wrong...as long as the beliefs don't harm anyone, I have no prob. with them. Anyways, I believe that marriage is just up to personal beliefs and goals. I don't think that an unmarried couple loves each other less than a married one (or vice versa), and if someone personally feels that marriage=supporting sexism then I would not want them to do something which makes them feel wrong...but I feel irritated when people look down on married people as "stupid sheep who are stuck in the system" or whatever because many people have in fact reflected on it and simply come to a different view/conclusion. NOT saying that you were implying that (your comment seemed perfectly friendly), just thought I'd illustrate how the pros and cons to marriage largely depend on personal views and local laws.
Yeah.. no one expected me to give up my last name or any of my rights. My fiancé loves my independence and has told me to just always keep being myself. He would have been fine with us keeping our own last names or even taking mine. Some people need to set the people in their life straight.
@98: One of the best posts I read about this subject in years...
Wouldn't hurt to mention the whole lack of interest in marriage part.
What I don't get is why you have a bf if you don't intend to get married ?
For those saying OP should tell her father about her views on marriage, there's a good chance she has already mentioned it. Maybe not a full on serious conversation (after all, it's not like she's marrying her dad), but she has probably mentioned it in passing a couple times. A lot of parents have the tenancy to not believe or to dismiss things their children say that don't line up with the parent's vision of their child's "happy life." There's a good chance OP thought her dad already knew she didn't wan to get married, and he just figured she'd change her mind once she was in a serious relationship, thus it must be the boyfriend's fault for the lack of marriage.
In Minnesota your considered married after living together for 7 years even if you don't have kids.
You should probably tell your dad this...I feel like that is really obvious.
OP, woman up, its not fair your Dad is thinking hes a dirtbaf when its actually what you think. it's unfair on your boyfriend, clear up the air.
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Maybe try talking to your dad about it. Explain that you don't actually want to get married
Tell him your opinion. He will shut the **** up.