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I really didn't want to get into this but I just can't help myself. When I do my job, I expect to be paid and paid as well as anyone else doing that job. I don't think it is contradictory for some women to expect equal pay as men and also want to be treated in a chivalrous manner. In some cases, gender roles are the same; in some they are not. Same job = same pay. Different behaviour = different treatment.

Sorry, but it does seem contradictory to expect equality and chivalry. I'm sure you would prefer to believe chivalry is just an extension of being a gentlemen, but sadly its more about impressing the girl and putting her in your debt... like a subordinate. See 198

The problem here being the fact that women are now being paid more for the same amount and the same kind of work since the only reason they were paid less (overall, they still had the amount to the hour) was because they did less work.

228 and 177 I think one can have equality and also decent behavior (commonly mistaken for chivalry). Sometimes things depend on the situation. Two people going out to have lunch together (male and female) can split the tab if the situation is more of a "friendly" get-together. On a date, things are a bit more tricky. For me, if the waiter gives me the check, I'll pay without creating an issue (unless she ordered something ridiculously expensive). If the waiter gives her the bill or puts it in the middle, then things are up for discussion. What I wont do is be a punk about it. People can have a reasonable adult discussion about this stuff without coming off as a cheap-ass or a stuck-up-bitch. The relationship thing is really not that hard.

Maybe it was a place that didn't except cards.... but I'm finding that really hard to beleive. I'm thinking she went out to find an ATM to try to prove a point to her date...

#34 She wasn't even prepared to pay for her own meal. Also woman who say the man should always pay, should STFU about woman rights. With this you just show that men are superior and you can't take care of yourself.

selfish brat. why is the guy saposed to take care of everything? thought it was equal rights here. you should consider maby paying sometimes. you don't have to pay for someone else. but you certantly shouldent expect to be paid for unless you have previously arranged it.

I don't think the guy is necessarily "supposed to" pay on the first date. But it's generally assumed that the guy asks the girl out for the first date, and whoever does the asking SHOULD do the paying, during the dating process. Once it's a "relationship" then you can split things up as you both agree to do. But it's REALLY stupid for a woman to go on a date and not bring some money. Though if it were me, I would have paid for my salad and left. Letting me jump through hoops to pay while you sit there like an ass isn't going to even get you the privilege of driving me home, much less EVER seeing me again.

#34.. that's a horrible attitude to have on a date.

ragna and death both u stfu. the girl could have paid if she brought her credit card with her, didn't bring CASH doesn't mean she didn't intend on paying. place was shitty to not accept card. therefore she complained about the 'it's only $6' cuz the date made her go find an ATM instead of just offering to pay. it helps to use your brain every once in a while dumbfucks.

I meant she DID bring her card with her. or else she would have 'gone home to retrieve card' instead of just locating ATM. if she didn't intend on paying her share, she would have left the whole wallet at home! don't tell me you guys always ******* bring cash on you instead of credit.

:) i think your perfect dating material..me and my guy do the same thing..take turns or go dutch..it makes for a better time..n neither of us have to worry about money issues or who paid less when their crap was more...^-^ one should never have to deal with the selfish..they arent worth anyones time..

I think it does depend on the situation though... my bf makes more then me and occasionally he wants to go out to a really nice restaurant (one that I can't afford to go to). Yet the fact that it's not a restaurant I can afford is ALWAYS discussed beforehand. I also usually try to take him to a lunch or dinner that is in my price range shortly after that.

but you still take turns..you are not expecting him to pay all the time. You dont get huffy when he says ok to you taking him out..when my guy and me started..we both were able to afford anywhere we went..then he lost his job and i still offered to pay so we can go out and we did when he got another job and we went back to dutch..but now that ive had work issues he is the one taking me out and i help pay when i can..but we both know that we arent allowing the other pay more or do not expect anything of the other person..the OP was expecting it which is wrong..

If you ever go anywhere in Chinatown, you'll notice none of them take debit.

yep. if she is that much of a bitch I wouldent.

how is it your responsibilty. where is it written . it certantly is not. If something is real, you shouldent have to "pay for their attention".

53, it's how you look at it. Some men were raised that it's common courtesy to pay when you ask a woman out. it has nothing to do with paying for their attention, it's about the fact that YOU asked them, YOU made the plans, so YOU should pay for what you planned. But I also think if the woman does the asking, then she should pay, for the same reasons. As a woman, I've paid for first dates when I did the asking, but if a man asks me out, I do expect him to pay. It works both ways.

Your someone i respe t. however your method leaves to many possibilities. and I lt is a rare custom. it's simpler to not expect to be paid for, and at least be prepared for it. unless it has been arranged otherwise previously. and age old customs that say the man has to pay are messed up.

no! she doesent deserve a second date for beeing. spoiled unprepared brat. me and my girl switch off on paying, or pay for our own stuff. and neither of us ever expect to be paid for.

When you first went on a date with your girl, did you pay? This is a first date, it isn't like they even really know eachother that well yet. Sure, she should have been prepared more, but he asked her on the date most likely.

Exactly, it's a FIRST date. They don't know each other very well, why would he be paying for her meal? It clearly isn't a gift; he has no reason to gift give a gift. Why would she expect to be paid for? Why would she not come prepared to pay for herself and make a quick exit if the date turns sour? Why shouldn't she pay for his meal? Or better yet, they both act like adults and pay for their own meals? That no way neither "owes" the other a ******* and no-one is dependent on the other.

Hell no I didn't pay or our first date. any girl who expects me to pay on the frat date, I will get up and leave her golddigger ass. If something is real me, my personality, my looks should matter. not my wallet. I shouldent have to "pay for her attention"