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Because you, mirkayscar, are a dying breed who stills gives a damn about standards and etiquette.
108 - There's always standards and etiquette. Society mores are not cast in stone. Look at some of the stuff in the bible (or the Koran). Women were treated as property, people had slaves (indentured, or otherwise), etc... In the 1950s Euro-American culture women had more rights and people didn't have outright slaves (some people were paid artificially low wages). Society was and is changing as peoples sensibilities change. We just happen to be in the middle of those changes. This is not "going to hell in a handbasket", this is social evolution.
At the risk of losing my nuts while fence straddling, I think that instead of making assumptions, these are things that people can talk about. A woman going out on a date who expects the man to pay should, never-the-less, still bring enough money to cover at least her share (plus a ride home if things go bad). My personal feeling is that if a guy asks a girl out, he should be prepared to pay for both of them. If she offers to pay or split it that's great.
ydi. It sucks that he didn't want to foot the bill, but you have the option of writing him off if that's a deal breaker. (Especially if he initiated the date.) However, it was foolish of you to go out to eat without taking any money. What if he'd forgotten his wallet? Some couples split things until they're more established. You shouldn't make assumptions. But if he were a gentleman, he would have offered to get yours and let you buy next time or pay him back after. Now that you know he's going to be a pain about everything, find someone else. But this one's your fault for making assumptions and not coving yourself.
Did you ask him to "Come up for coffee" at the end of the date? Seriously- I (and most guys) would pay if I asked her out, period. When a woman asks me out, I will still offer to pay all or half. I mean it's the first date! Don't be so cheap. If you need to split the tab, work it out on later dates. In case you have not figured it out, he was making sure there would not be a second date.
118, "most guys" don't pay for someone else's meal, and "most girls" don't expect them to. Of all the women I've dated, not one of them has ever sponged off me and only once have I paid for her share of the first/second/otherwise not established as a relationship date (I was 16 and I thought that was how men were "supposed" to act... it made her uncomfortable). Maybe you live in a shithole small town that thinks it's still 1955, but to anyone living in civilization, dating scripts are almost unheard of.
"but he should ALWAYS pay. He is getting the pleasure of your company, you had to spend a while picking out nice clothes and making sure you looked good for him, and at the end of the date, he is probably expecting a kiss (or more if you have been dating a while), so its kinda like pay back." That's the ******* stupidest thing I've ever heard. The guy also has to make sure he looks nice, and you are getting the pleasure of his company also. Until my date is officially my boyfriend, I will not even consider the idea that he should pay for me, and even if they do, I only let them if they really insist. It's not like I don't have money, and I see no reason why they should pay for my food unless they really want to. And OP, YDI for immediately assuming that this guy was going to pay for your food. Girls are dumb lately.
gotta love the spoiled women on here that think equality only comes into play when they benefit. Fine ladies, you don't want to pay for the first date? Ok, I can accept that. However, you must also accept 3/4 pay for the same job and not bitch about it
Ragna, nope you are correct. I was 18. anyone who has a child at 18 didn't make a good choice. That's said all by itself. But I will demand respect from men and show that same respect back and to myself. the 'what are you doin out of the kithen' comment, totally inappropriate!! Heaven forbid a girl to demand somethig from a man as simple a paying for a first date!!
I said nothing about respect, and if you read again what I was replying to then you see it was someone saying she was old fashioned. So I made the joke about the kitchen, because that is old fashioned. And I don't believe respect comes in the form of money.
You've got no right to "demand" anything from people, whether that be money or sympathy for being an ever-so-hard-done-by single mother. You chose not to abort like any sensible woman would've done, you live with the consequences.
272, I was 17 when I had my son and I am very much sensible thank you very much. Yes while I admit there are consequences, there are also rewards to being a mom. And if you are not a parent yourself, you have ZERO right to say anything about Being a parent or how hard it is with a child, especially at a young age. Do you realize how many people get abortions and regret it? I am proud to have kept my son, I get to see him grow up everyday and they do grow fast. The road is hard yea but not impossible, so like I said unless you have kid(s) yourself, keep the abortion thoughts to yourself.
women want equality and universal sufferage..... ydi for not having backup cash and expecting the man to pay.
So you just ASSUME he's supposed to pay on a first date? Then I guess he's supposed to ASSUME to get sex. I agree, he should have paid for the date if he asked you out... but be a little bit more independent and at least have some money on you. Plus, girls that offer to pay are great... show's that they can be treated as equals and know how give-and-take works in a relationship.
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Never expect anything on a first date.....duh
Why do you expect the guy to pay on the first date? You obviously had no intend of paying, so you left your money home in case he did not pay for you. But boohoo he didn't anyway. Also, you sound like a girl that only orders a salad and then eats half the food of other peoples plates.