By coldstar - 18/07/2013 09:06 - United Kingdom - London
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Just to clarify a few things: my two adult cats (the mother and the baby-eater) are sisters. I had planned to have them both spayed a few months ago but the baby-eater was very unwell at the time, so I decided to postpone the spaying for both of them so that I could eventually get them both done at the same time. By the time the unwell cat had recovered the other had already snuck out of the house and fallen pregnant, so I resigned myself to letting her have the kittens and then taking them both to be fixed. That's how this situation happened. To those questioning whether I was aware of the potential danger, yes I was, but the mother cat is usually dominant to her sister and intimidates her a lot, so I assumed she'd chase her away if she tried to go near the newborns. Instead she seemed indifferent to the situation and simply stood by while her sister killed the litter. As for why I did not intervene, I was not in the room at the time. I entered the room and saw the cat had given birth, then exited the room to go and fetch her some extra food and water. When I returned I found the sister in the room with blood around her mouth, half a leg on the floor, and the mother sitting off to one side washing herself. As I stared at the scene in a mixture of surprise and revulsion, the killer began coughing violently then vomited. So that's how you came to read about this event. As for those suggesting I should punish the killer in some way, I am not going to. She was just acting on instinct, like all non-human animals do. And I think that's all I have to say for now. Sorry for the long comment.
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you should always keep an eye out when one of the nonparent cats or dogs are around a new litter. :(
I'm a relatively experienced cat owner who's probably done more research than you, so why don't you read my other comments for more information on how this event occurred instead of just jumping to conclusions. I've owned fourteen cats in total and bred three of them, and I've never once lost a dominant female's litter to a beta female until now. A competent dominant female can usually defend her own litter against a lone subordinate female. In this case the mother in question just didn't want to, and deliberately moved aside when the subordinate approached the kittens. I am not responsible for a cat's disinterest in caring for its offspring. Since she made no move to protect the kittens, it's possible she didn't want them and would have let them die herself anyway. That's is not any fault of mine.
Actually, you do have fault here. You assumed something, and it bit you in the ass. What you did is the equivalent of telling your kids that they don't need to wear their seatbelt because you got away with not wearing one once before. Face it,you ****** up. There was something you could have done to prevent this, so it's your damn fault. Stop blaming the cat for your own negligence.
I'm not blaming my cat. I don't think she did anything inappropriate; if she didn't want to protect her kittens that's her choice. What do I care? It's her decision, but I'm not going to take the blame for it. She is the dominant female and usually acts like it. She could have stopped her sister, but she chose not to. I do not mollycoddle my alpha cats, and I'm not going to start now. All animals should be allowed to sort out their own pecking orders without human interference. I have no interest in undermining the competence of my own dominant pets by stepping in to help them handle their own subordinates. If an alpha animal is unwilling or unable to assert their dominance at times when they probably should, then they probably aren't fit to be an alpha anymore. If my alpha cat can't or won't keep her subordinate sister in line then she might as well be a beta female herself.
You should care, you were responsible for those kittens. They were in your house, your cat was their mother, etc. Heartless people like you shouldn't have pets. They were poor little kittens, your cat wasn't smart enough to protect them, but your a human being, you should at least feel bad that something (entirely preventable I might add) happened to them and that they died extremely slow and painful deaths.
#311 Just because I'm not an overly emotional idealist like you and several others on this site seem to be doesn't mean I'm 'heartless'. I didn't get any kind of enjoyment out of the kittens being killed, and I realise that I could have been more cautious to prevent this from occurring, but I'm not going to sit around and mourn either. I've never mourned for dead humans (including any I was close to), so I'm not likely to do so for dead cats, especially seeing as the surviving cats themselves have already seemingly forgotten all about the incident. Just because I'm not a warm, fluffy ball of love that emits horror and regret everywhere I go when something unpleasant happens doesn't make me a somehow unworthy pet owner. My cats are well fed, free of parasites, up to date on all their recommended vaccines, and (now) spayed. They're getting a much better quality of life living with me than they would have with a lot of people. I've kept them healthy and seemingly content since the day I got them, and I don't abuse or mistreat them in any way, so I'm not going to accept that I'm a 'bad' animal owner just because I'm not traumatised over dead kittens.
I very much appreciate your realism and acceptance that animals are animals and will behave as such.
No, children - and all people - are far more important - us all being created in God's own image complete w/ souls - than animals incl. those who live via survival of the fittest. When you have your own cats in the exact same situation, then YOU can decide what's best for YOUR cats else next time YOU take of her kittens in order to protect them, deal?
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Oops! For #276: (lol)
#311: how do you know for a fact that the kittens died slow & painful deaths? Have you ever seen kittens killed in that manner?
It actually isn't a fit of jealousy, but a strike of dominance and territorial hunger. Big cats even in the wild are kept away from the new litter until about a certain age because if not they are killed. Now, not all felines are blood thirsty murderers, but FYL, OP for not knowing this, but your other cat was just acting on instinct. Next time you will be better prepared with the knowledge to take extreme caution :)
Same happens with Lions. All felines are crazy.
This might be the saddest story I've ever read on this board.
This is why you're supposed to give the mother a safe place to give birth. You should have made better efforts to keep the kittens safe if you aren't going to spay and neuter your pets
You've got to be kitten me! This is the most clawful fml ever. I'm feline sick after reading it!
That's so horrible! Poor babies!
That's horrible.
I've never heard of anything other than a male cat doing that in order to make the female go back into heat...cats (as far as I know) don't have jealousy issues...maybe the other cat (if female) did it because she didn't want other cats beside the current one around (due to territorial/insecurity issues)
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If you've never eaten someone you were jealous of, you're not truly living.
You are an idiot.