Um... overreaction much? He can't help his sleep talking and you're recommending her to break up with him for it? He probably loves her like crazy and has no idea about his muttering; it could break his heart to have her break up with him for something like that!

She should dump him cause he's smart? Well I know who's a commitaphobe

She should break up with him cause he's smart? I think your a commitaphobe

Clearly you have no idea what it actually takes to be a doctor. Anyone can memorize symptoms, it takes great intelligence and strength to be able to apply that knowledge in context when under pressure, when sleep deprived or when someone's life is on the line. Ever felt responsible for saving someone's life? Real medicine isn't like House, people don't sit in board rooms talking shit and running through 7 diagnoses an hour, only to have the genius have an epiphany on the can. OP, if you're that insecure now, it's only going to get worse later. Either learn to accept that you're just not learning the same things as your bf and that's ok, or get out now before you become bitter and jealous.

boatie, you're clearly a moron if you actually believe what you just wrote. Being a doctor is more than knowledge of medical terms and anatomy. It's the application of that knowledge that makes a doctor what s/he is. Let me know when you get a clue.

"in context when under pressure, when sleep deprived or when someone's life is on the line." None of those things mean doctors need to be as intelligent as say scientists. I never said medicine wasn't difficult, just that it doesn't take the massive intellect people seem to assume. Doctors are people to be greatly admired, but for strength rather than extraordinary intelligence.

I am honestly and truly flabbergasted at your dribble, 65. I would really like to see someone with low intelligence go through medical school. Any type of schooling is based around having a normal/moderate memory. It takes /intelligence/, /perseverance/, /strength/ and true /courage/ to practice in the medical field. All qualities someone with a higher intelligence would possess. People study what they know, what they love and what they want. Not every scientist would be able to tell why the rash on ass is not clearing up. Just as not every doctor could tell me what kind of mold that is growing underneath my sink. Do you truly believe the words that came out of your head? I apologize to you for the potentially moronic doctor that gave you some Pepto Bismol for your stomach tumor and sent you packing, but don't say such atrocious non sense, unless you fully intend on backing up every last bit of what you just said. God, I hate people like you.

Wow, harsh reaction lol. What the guy is saying is that Doctors are hard-working and determined but that the actual stuff they're learning is not impossible to grasp - it just takes a long while. Kind of like how learning to ice skate will take a long time but is not ultra-difficult if you have the perseverance. I can understand that peoples' opinions differ, just as mine will differ to some. But it costs nothing to be nice and respectful :).

Not harsh at all. Neither you or the other person on this thread have any clue how the human mind works. If you're of lower intelligence, it is not as simple as just "grasping" something and being able to apply it to everyday life. If you have the intelligence to grasp every single thing you've learned in life, that is in your mind. You both clearly need to research the word intelligence and spend some time understanding what it is to be smart.

HEY we work hard in med skool, we're not dictionaries, we're geniuses

Ah, I see what the problem is: what do you think of as "highly intelligent"? Having intelligence that is just above average? Being able to learn the name and symptoms of every disease known to man, maybe? That's just memory. Highly intelligent is being able to comprehend things like quantum dynamics. You need a certain level of intelligence, well above average, to be able to understand the mathematical formulations and their impact on how we can understand the world. Obviously not every intelligent person likes quantum dynamics, but the point is they would be capable of understanding. If you disagree with my definition, feel free to coherently define your own. But the study of medicine doesn't require any great feats of understanding, and hence does not require above average intelligence. Note that I am only commenting on the level of intelligence required for the study of medicine, not on any other qualities of doctors.

Hey 69, I really hope English isn't your first language because you failed to communicate pretty much anything there. boatie is clearly not saying "any retard can be a doctor", instead that you only need a base level of intelligence and a decent memory.

@73 Your comment is invalid and her points are merely speculation. My comment was clearly coherent and if you didn't understand it, it is you that doesn't understand the English language. boatie, it is obviously clear that you fail to recognize anything outside of your own clouded view of "science vs. medicine" "Doctors are just medical dictionaries with reasoning capabilities." You completely generalized an entire group for no valid reason, other than you, for some reason, believe practicing medicine only takes a good memory. You are so very unclear as to what intelligence is. Intelligence is more than just Math, Science, English, Writing or Geography. Quantum dynamics? Do you truly believe that being a doctor solely lies on memory? You are very ignorant if that is how you feel. Your first comment clearly showed that you were, in fact, commenting on the profession as a whole and not just what level their intelligence is at. You are contradicting yourself and scraping the bottom of the barrel. Like I said, any profession takes a lot of memory, but intelligence is driven in part from memory, given that the Hippocampus (sorry I used a big medical term" is a large part of the brain. You would know that, if you went to Medical school or picked up a Psychology book. You have no facts to back up your assumptions or opinions. "feel free to coherently define your own." Since you and the other few people in this thread have serious comprehension skills, I will lay it out easy. You are ignorant and lack any type of true knowledge for what you are debating. You can't argue a fact based on nothing and nothing is what you have, my dear. This has been fun and quite eye opening for me. I can only imagine how much of a prude you are.

Doctors are not scientists any more than car mechanics are engineers, and 'intelligence' is such a vague and difficult-to-define concept that the dictionary offers no aid, because you then need to find satisfactory definitions for 'reason' and 'thought'. Suffice to say that although boaties original statement of 'just being dictionaries' is clearly extreme and an oversimplification, it all boils down to "the study of medicine requires no more intelligence than any other scientific field, and requires considerably less than some" n.b. yes, medicine is a scientific field but no, doctors are not scientists; they implement what the scientists develop.

Hah, wow, #77 really shows her true self: "Intelligence is more than just Math, Science, English, Writing or Geography. Quantum dynamics? Do you truly believe that being a doctor solely lies on memory?" The last time I had "english" or "writing" as a subject I was about 13, so I can only assume you are the same age. Are you then asking what quantum dynamics is? Because really, even a 13 year old should at least be familiar with the term. And trying to win the argument by calling me a prude is on the same level as comparing me to Hitler, ie you forfeit. Also, #76: Doctors are not scientists, they do not perform repeatable tests of hypotheses. Your dictionary definition of intelligence defines something most animals possess, so is useless here. My definition was of someone highly intelligent, which is what doctors are for some reason wrongly assumed to be. And my initial comment said doctors are medical dictionaries WITH reasoning capabilities (as per your dictionary definition), so it's not as insulting as you're all reading it.

You assume I'm 13, because I asked you a question? That's far fetched. No, I was not asking you what Quantum Dynamics was. I'm pretty solid in that area. I was merely questioning why you seem to believe it takes someone of high intelligence to study that and not medicine. I assume you are a prude, because you boast yourself as one. Believe me, my intelligence far surpasses average. Downgrading my intelligence is just as, if not more, insulting than assuming you're a prude. I am still waiting for facts rather than assumptions on this topic. You have yet to give yourself any accreditation for your initial comment. Any profession with a high degree will, more times than not, require a higher level of intelligence. "comparing me to Hitler, ie you forgeit." This isn't a war. Also, that was a ridiculously childish and idiotic comparison. Not to be confused with calling you an idiot yourself. It's clear that you're not an idiot. You are just ignorant.

Wow... just wow. You should get an award for services to Trolling. It takes real effort and commitment to attain such levels of ignorance. Wow...

Your comment is clearly misplaced, 81.

Ok, it's time for me to weigh in here. I just read this thread with great interest, and I have to say that I'm appalled at what boatie and Cantab are saying. I think it would only be fair if you two (boatiebanter and Cantabguy) tell us what you do for a living. That would give a little perspective here. I think it's safe to say that neither of you is a doctor or a scientist, as you're both 22 years old (according to your profiles). First of all, many doctors ARE scientists. Do a search on Medline and see the hundreds of thousands of articles in the medical literature that were all written by doctors testing hypotheses using the scientific method. That argument of yours is completely ludicrous. True, not all doctors are geniuses. I went to medical school with some people who were only slightly above average. But they were ALL above average. Unlike you two, I AM a doctor. Also, I AM highly intelligent. I DO have a great memory. I DO have great reasoning skills. But unfortunately for you and your weak arguments, being a doctor requires so much more than all of that, and that is what you two fail to comprehend. It's more than just memorizing every symptom and every disease, as you say. It's also understanding WHY the diseases happen and, in some cases, how to prevent them. It's understanding how the human body works, why bad things happen to it, and how to fix it. I submit to you that that is every bit as complicated as your beloved quantum dynamics, of which I have no knowledge whatsoever. In the case of surgery, it's learning why, when, and how to operate, and more importantly, when NOT to operate. Then it is developing the skills to operate. The knowledge of human anatomy is not learned in a book, it's learned by doing surgery. And guess what? I'm a surgeon. You are not. I speak from experience. You do not.

I am also a dr and this thread is hilarious. you must be a teenager or someone with no involvement in the medical field because you seem ignorant that there is no boundary between a dr and a scientist. in fact, most clinical guidelines and non-big pharm clinical research is done by drs, as in mds. the idea that drs are smart also comes the selection process, ie getting into medical school, finishing medical school, and getting the persons choice of residency

To the whole Doctor vrs Scientist thingy The difference is that science is pushed towards research, while medical school trains clinicians skilled in diagnosis and recognition of the appropriate care patterns within patients. Medical research fails without combining both sides, a biological researchers has probably studied one area in alot more depth and would tend to make most breakthroughs (biochem, genetics etc), but clinicians are important for the appropriate use, and will be able to make true observations about a treatment option not avaiable in the lab. Both are important and make up a team. The debate is silly. I also date a med student, sometimes he he decides practicing his anatomy is a good idea at very odd moments... but i think it's cute, and i don't feel stupid.