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I would of said im going ATM hunting and then just of left
thats why you have money with you and don't expect someone to pay for something that was bought for you. expecting the man to pay for everything is just rude!
Alright, I don't want to reply to everyone, so I'm posting this at the end. Sadly, that means few people will actually read it, but **** it. First off, I am a woman. I'm 20, live in NYC, straight, polyamorous and currently single/dating. I see a lot about "tradition" mentioned here. I abhor tradition. Tradition gives pass to atrocity. Tradition is the reason gays can't marry. Tradition is the reason we needed a war to end slavery. Tradition was the reason that, after slavery ended, things didn't get much better. Tradition was the reason women were subjugated for so long. Tradition is a nice way of saying "we won't change." New, fresh, innovative ways of thinking should be embraced, and in doing so, tradition should be cast aside. I also see a lot about expectation, but before getting into that, I'd like to talk about the relationship climate before the feminist movement. Dating in the 1950's, especially pre-rock and roll/pre-Elvis saw parents much more involved in looking over who their children, especially their daughters, dated. It was expected that if you were considering dating a girl, you had to meet her parents before any real attempts to court her. You would sit down and talk to her father* about your intentions, religious views, family life, financial situation* and plans for the future*. You were expected to pay for the dates*, adhere to her father's rules, and especially not have sex*. After dating her regularly for a while, you would propose. If you were high school sweet hearts, you were expected to propose at graduation. As for the proposal, you were expected to first show the girl's father the ring you inteded to give her and ask him permission. The ring. This is another thing I have a problem with, as it has stubbernly persisted into the 21st century. An engagement ring is DOWRY*. The purpose of presenting the father with a ring was to prove that you were financially stable and able to care for a family. Of course, after marriage, sex was okay*, as it was expected that such unions would produce more children. The women stayed home to care for such children, and the men worked*. *The asterisk. You may have noticed I used a lot of them, specifically anywhere I mentioned fathers, money or sex. I wanted to drive the point home that this was in fact a business transaction. The "gentleman" would trade his money for a chance to court this girl, whom, if he were successful, he would get to marry and thus have sex with. In the 1950's and earlier, a married woman could not say no to her husband. Once you were married, you had sex at your husband's whim, raised children, cooked and cleaned. You didn't work, and if you had hobbies, they probably included knitting. Your husband "brought home the bacon," and took care of you financially. Essentially, you traded sex and house work for financial security. THIS is the reason behind your tradition, this is the logical rational. This is why it is expected that men pay. It's nice, sometimes, to have your date pay for you. However, your date shouldn't be EXPECTED to pay. That's just rude. The reason I clicked YDI is because this girl EXPECTED to be taken care of, by a man she didn't know, because of a tradition she didn't understand. I do think the guy was a jerk to make her go looking for an ATM. If I were him, I would have cut my losses, paid the six bucks, and never called her back. I think it's also nice for men to occasionally have a woman pay for dates. It changes things up a bit, and change is good. I like paying sometimes, when I could afford it. It also establishes a boundary - that I want to be equal in everything. It weeds out prideful men and establishes the understanding that what you expect of other women, you should not expect from me.
Oh curse websites with weird, inconsistent formatting. I swear I had neat little paragraphs when I typed this.
Of course it is equally plausible (looking from the guys side) that he may have not brought enough cash to the date and couldn't afford to pay for what seems like an expensive salad. She, having brought an ATM card, didn't expect to be eating at a place that didn't take credit/ATM cards. They both loose and it doesn't have anything to do with tradition, just foolishness on both parts. But I agree with your masters thesis though.
That is entirely possible. In which case, just assume I was replying to the comment section and not the post. We have to make certain assumptions when the story we're provided with has a character limit, and I went with the popular opinion since that seemed more likely. :P
Perhaps. I realize the average internet user won't read my comment, but I am.. impassioned. :] Like I said, I abhor tradition, especially if the people trying to uphold the tradition don't understand where it came from.
I think you deserved it. This was the first date with someone and you EXPECT him to pay for you? Thats really stuck up and bitchy. If you two had agreed before hand that he was going to be your sugar-daddy then maybe you could be mad about it. However, you are an adult, and thus should know that not every guy is a sucker enough to pay for everything on the first date. I sure don't expect anyone to pay for me on a date, even if its the 9th or 10th. Sure its nice, but its not mandatory. Stop hiding behind your petticoats. If I were him: I'd never call you again. I'd cut my losses (waste of my time) and move on to a WOMAN not a child.
A 6$ Salad!?!? that sounds expensive
While I think whoever initiated the date should pay, you should still be prepared and have money with you. YDI.
YDI for assuming he was going to pay WITHOUT DISCUSSION and for not carrying cash on you just in case. What kind of restaurant doesn't take cards these days anyway?
as a guy if I go on a date I always pay for everything I'm not sexest just traditional
That's very sweet of you, but bear in mind that not all girls expect it. Some of us are more comfortable sharing the responsibility and would be happier to do so. Still very nice of you, though.
You personally are probably not sexist, and if you want to pay to be nice, that's fine. I personally probably wouldn't accept you paying all the time, but it's not that men who pay are sexist - they're probably not, it's that the tradition itself has sexist origins.
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Never expect anything on a first date.....duh
Why do you expect the guy to pay on the first date? You obviously had no intend of paying, so you left your money home in case he did not pay for you. But boohoo he didn't anyway. Also, you sound like a girl that only orders a salad and then eats half the food of other peoples plates.