She needs to be grateful that he proposed? I don't think it works like that... happy, yes, but grateful, no. It's not like he's doing her a favor - presumably he wants to get married too if he's proposing.

All I'm saying is that there are a lot of girls out there that WISH their boyfriends would propose. This broad gets a proposal and because it's not done exactly the way she wants it she has the audacity to say no? I mean, really. There are a lot of girls that don't get traditional proposals/exactly the kind of proposal they wanted and they still say yes. Her saying no because it wasn't "traditional" enough for her speaks volumes about her personality. In short, she's a bitch. Any questions?

There's a difference between saying you think she's being too picky for not accepting and saying she should be "grateful" he proposed... I'm still going to disagree with the word choice there.

#96 i strongly agree with you on this one. Also, think if you were in this situation. Would you tell the person you love no because you didn't want it done a certain way. I think thats being bossy and being a bitch. Really, how does this sound? Man: Will you marry me? Woman: no Man: Why? Woman: Because I wanted you to propose to me at the park, not at dinner. All in all she shouldn't be so picky. This might be the last man to ever ask to marry her. Of course she has the right to say no but if he went all out and planned this for her i think she is asking for too much. That's if she loves him.

In short, whoever your girlfriend is she is ******* lame. In the 21st century the idea of "romance" has been completely changed by ******* morons who think it means going to a french restaurant and drinking expensive wine, when really, any genre of situation or idea can be "romantic". You're girlfriend needs to get over herself, but more importantly DON'T TAKE ANY ADVICE FROM FML COMMENTS.

Maybe she felt it was an inappropriate way to propose? Would you say the same thing if he was sitting on the cr@pper and suddenly decided to pop the question? Or is there a line to be drawn? Different people find different things acceptable. This obviously just didn't do it for her. He should have known better. And what's this comment about bankrupting him for a wedding dress? I thought the bride's parents are supposed to foot the bill. Isn't that how it's traditionally done?

I think it's a general rule that the one doing the asking has to do it the way the one being asked wants it done. I'd imagine as a way of gaining favour. Yes, they could be skydivers. Yes, it could be something they do regularly. But surely by this time they should have spoken about marriage and their dreams for the day etc. and from these discussions he should have been able to gather she leaned toward the more traditional way of things with regard to marriage. You might think that a skydiving proposal would make for a better story, but not everyone would feel that way. I, for one, wouldn't. I think it's a rather stupid way to propose, but that's me. I still maintain he should have known better.

They usually speak about dreams and stuff when they're already engaged. "Pop the question" implies surprise. It's a surprise to ask to get married. Marriages are a result of surprise. Only obsessive little princesses want to babble on and on about their perfect wedding and proposal, and I feel sorry for any guy on their arms; constantly having to jump through hoops because she needs everything to be HER way or it's NO way. And really, again, if you /love them/ and /want to get married to them/, why does it matter how they proposed? They proposed! They love you and want to marry you back! Jeez. If she wants to be so anal because it didn't 100% pander to her ego, then he should probably bail, because imagine how THAT wedding and marriage goes... Bridezilla, anyone?

Only speaking about dreams "and stuff" once they're already engaged is retarded. Do they only discuss whether or not they want children once they're married? Am I weird for thinking these things should be spoken about before any long term commitments are made? Surely these things factor in when seeing if you're compatible? Yes, "pop the question" implies surprise, but is it just in South Africa where people talk about their willingness to marry one another before the "official" asking of the question? I'm not one of those prissy little princesses that has to have everything "just so", and I'm really not into all the "traditional wedding stuff". Lucky for me that my husband isn't either. I mentioned before how he proposed and how we got married. Because I was lucky enough to have it all my way I can understand how other girls would want to have it their way. Forgive me for not thinking this girl is a total bitch because she wants the man she marries to make her dreams come true. Now, isn't *that* romance?

First of all, again, does it /matter/? If she /loves him/, it doesn't matter how he /proposes/ . The "dream come true" stuff is in the wedding and marriage. If the person I loved and wanted to marry me proposed while covered in dog shit, **** the lack of romance WE'RE GETTING MARRIED DAMN IT. Plenty of time for romance later. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can break off an engagement easily, and can also last for a good while. Around here, you give signs that you are willing to marry someone, you don't just go "hey I want your proposal to be just like this" or "what do you think if we get married?" - that kind of kills the whole point of the surprise, so you give off signs instead.

Oh, and there's a difference between "it's my dream to see Europe" kinds of things and "it's my dream to have my proposal go exactly like this" kinds of things. Really, the latter is rather expectative and unfairly puts such pressure on the partner. And if you're one of those to argue "well he should have known her better" - her directly telling him isn't knowing her like he should. He has to take the initiative to discover it himself.