... it depends how fat is fat. If she's absolutely huge then yeah she should exercise, but that doesn't mean she should be denied entry to clubs, or not be allowed to dance with her friends (a form of exercise!!) or dress up and go out. If she's an Australian size 12 and was denied for not being thin (rather than for being huge), then your comment is totally out of line.

Weight and what weight is attractive changes over the decades. In ancient times bigger women were considered attractive and it was a sign of wealth. Marilyn Monroe, who is considered a sex idol, was a size 12 along with Bettie Page. Today women who are of their natural weight are considered fat because of skinny models. So calling her an eyesore when you do not know what she looks like shows ignorance.

Seriously? I bet you are just going by your own standards. If she is absolutely the hugest chick you will probably ever see (which I doubt, as she could barely get out of bed and go to clubs), eats junky food 24/7, and could change that in a heartbeat, then yeah, she totally deserves it. But you are saying that she is just that, when she probably is just a little chubby. Lots of people have some flab (I bet you do too). Also, genes. Some people have sucky genes that couse them to have thick ankles or a bit mor fat. It's really hard to change your weight. So, don't go around saying she's a "fatass" just because of what a jerk bouncer said.

I agree. I don't just don't understand the intense hatred that it's all over the place. I mean, maybe being "fat" is unhealthy, etc, but you don't see the same hatred towards smokers, people who have a ton of unprotected sex, people who live in areas of high pollution, or people who have high-stress jobs. All of that is just as "unhealthy" as being overweight is. And being skinny but not exercising is worse than being larger than the norm but exercising regularly, which is the cause for many people. So if you want to hate on overweight people (again, it always seems to be against women), I can't stop you, but stop using health as an excuse. None of you people care about her health, you're just using that as an excuse to be shallow and discriminatory. "No fat chicks!" has nothing to do with health.

Without wanting to fuel the whole trolling that will inevitably ensue on the subject sooner or later, you don't choose your race though. Disability is also something you can be born with. Sure, you can have a propensity to gain weight, genetically, but in truth that's pretty rare (unlike what people claim), and you can always do things against it, like be careful what you eat and exercise more often and all. It's NOT like a matter of race or disability. In OP's case however, the bigger issue isn't even the bouncer, but the a-hole friends who went in without her.

That isn't the point, the point is: why should someone have to change because you find the way they are unacceptable? Just because a fat person can (debatable) change their weight doesn't mean they should to make you happy. It also isn't as easy as some people believe - it's not like drugs or alcohol. You can't quit food, so it's a constant monitoring exercise which the individual may not be trained for (culturally or within their own family).

really? do you see t-shirts that say "No smoker chicks?" Because I've seen t-shirts saying "no fat chicks." Do you see smokers, for example, not being admitted into clubs, or people telling them they "don't deserve to get men" as someone posted here. People will say smoking is unhealthy, but the existence of smokers isn't treated like a joke by the rest of the population like the existence of fat people, especially fat women is. Sure, people use the words **** and *****, but no one would be barred from admittance to a club on the basis of "she's a ****." Also, these, like the "fat chicks" thing, are only directed towards women. I agree, people are forced to be in stressful jobs and areas of high pollution, but guess what? The highest amounts of obesity are found among low-income areas and families. Why? Because high-calorie, low-nutrition foods are often all people can afford, and the same people cannot afford gym memberships. And yes, I have read countless studies disputing the fat = bad, no arguments belief, as well as done several research projects on the topic of woman's oppression related to body issues. You can start by reading "The Obesity Myth" by Paul Campos if you are actually interested. And for the record, I wasn't advocating hating on any group of people, I was simply stating that saying "fat isn't healthy" is used as an excuse for being judgmental as a form of superiority. Any woman who does not fit into the narrow ideals of beauty in this world is treated as if she's a contagious disease.

I like how your argument is the most logical and well thought-out one on here and how nobody will come to dispute it because they know you're right.

-Yes, actually what is put on a t-shirt and worn is very important. What people put on their bodies and display in public says a lot about the culture and its values and viewpoints. Take an anthropology class, you might learn something. -No, I do not spend all my time on FML reading the comments. I'm a college student and have better things to do then sit on a random forum insulting people to feel better about my life. I was just really bored last night and get notified when someone replies to my comment. -Promiscuous behavior may not be allowed in the workplace in the sense that you're allowed to have sex on top of your desk or something, but no one is going to be fired for what they do in their free time. If they are, that's grounds for a lawsuit. Furthermore, my original point was about unprotected sex. The words **** and ***** are used indiscriminately whether a woman uses protection or not. It's not about the unhealthy behavior, it's about double standards. -I never said I was shocked that the stigma is against fat women, I just stated that was a fact. Learn how to read and stop jumping to assumptions if you want to make an argument. And I have never heard of a man not being admitted to a club because he is too fat or too skinny. -If you aren't interested in the topic, why are you bothering to argue so vehemently about it. Before your argument can be valid, you need to know what you are talking about. -"men are visual" So that makes it ok to bar someone from entry to a place, or to write some of the hateful comments on this forum? No one is asking you to be attracted to her. We're asking you treat everyone, fat or not, like a human being. "any man whos not successful in his career or shows high levels of confidence are treated the same way" And that just isn't true, at all. People have different views of success and a lot of girls are really into the shy thing. You don't see people write "YDI for being unsuccessful, LOL." -I love how you didn't address my point at all, which was that people use concern over health as an excuse to be shallow, when in fact, they don't really care about whether a "fat" person is healthy or not. They just don't like how that person looks. Therefore your argument, sir, is illogical.

You missed the point of my post just as successfully organised... Do you realise that your fish comparison was that of a 'state' argument to my 'trait' argument? i.e. If you're as smart as you think you are that should be enough of a rebuttal I can't be bothered typing more. They should change their entry policies because they go against the spirit of the Constitutional law that protects the individuals rights to non-discrimination and human dignity (Chapter 2, sections 9 and 10). BTW stop pulling shit out of thin air - people aren't denied entrance on the basis of being smokers. But they may not be allowed to smoke in the venue...

Bravo!