I'm going to have to remember that one. thanks for the idea!

Agreed!! I hate the military. I mean, I am not against any of the men and women who join and fight, but the whole concept of it all, killing and teaching people how to kill, it's sick, we live live in a sick world.

Yeah well guess what not everyone in the military kills, my cousin is a senior medic, yes they still equipped him with guns but thats for self defence, also those men and women are protecting our country. And its better then in some countries where they trien like 8 year olds to use a gun. Then again everyone has knowledge of how to kill someone, my 5 year old sister could if she really wanted to. I've been shooting a gun since i was around 6, sure at first it was only BB but recently my cousin Michael brought his P-90 gun to my house and taught me how to shoot it. Our military is killing the murderers of innocents, true occasionaly some innocent people die while we are fighting but you know what, it's better then letting a whole nation of innocent people die. Yes anyone killing anyone shouldn't happen in the first place, but it does so the military IS needed, besides for uses unlawful.

You are talking to an anti-war protester here. I grew up heavily into the knowledge of the hippies of the 60's and 70's era, back then where the words Give Peace A Chance ruled and that the government is corrupt, and politics are a lie and is all shit. Those are just my beliefs, nothing can be said to make me agree with the military, or politics. It's all shit to me

How can you say who is innocent and who is guilty? Isn't the death of one innocent far more tragic than the life of a bad man? King of Kings is right, the military is a sick practice, not because it protects us, or anything like that, but because in a perfect world no one would/should need to die. That is why it is sick, because it is needed at all. No one should have to die because a country says they are "evil."

"Occasionally some innocent people die" Like in Hiroshima? Or maybe Nagasaki. Oh btw did you find those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq yet? Military is BULLSHIT, wars are BULLSHIT and I can tell what a ****** up species we are just by looking in the comment section of FML and seeing all these people actually thinking how great it is to be a part of an entity designed to exterminate other humans. And that is sad, very sad. I know that you're going to say how you're saving the world from terrorists and what-not, too bad that's just what your leaders want to believe to continue their campaigns and make more money, and no, I'm not some conspiracy theory fanatic, actually I find most of them pretty retarded, but this is the truth, wars have always been declared in the name of all kinds of glorious things, Christianity went on the crusades against Islam to cleanse the holy land and what-not, actually they went for riches and fame, WW1 started because of the assasination of Franz Ferdinand, but that was just a pretext, it's the same with all the wars, nobody wants to say we're going to invade X country to get rich and murder the mother-*******, they have to find a reason so that people can support it, but it's almost always bullshit, just like your war on terror, just like your campaign in Iraq and so on. Waiting for brainwashed Americans to "prove" me wrong.

Them some strong opinions. I agree that war is never a good thing. Hate is the catalyst, money the reason. No one can say, "War is a good thing." Because no one wants to die but they are more than willing to kill others in the name of patriotism, and to destroy other's rights because it is justice against civilians who you have never met and who just want to live their lives.

War wasn't created to kill and the purpose of it (for most countries) these days is to protect and assist their country as well as other countries. I don't think anyone likes the thought of people stinging any way, shape, or form, but some wars are, unfortunately, necessary. Wars for religious conversion, land conquest, and genocide are not as bad as those fought to protect your fellow humans. I'm not anti-war, but I'm pro-peace.

@The_good_times: it's fairly obvious that your argument isn't against war as much as it is against americans. EVERY act of war comes with a price, not just those of americans, which brings me to the conclusion that this is a personal grudge. well, good sir, if you'd like to be proven wrong, then i gladly accept your COMPLETELY one-dimensional argument. commence.

Lol #139, it's obvious that you're so self-centered that you think everything's about you and your nation, but if you would've read my post you'd see I also mentioned Christianity, Austro-Hungary and other wars, so you could say I'm also anti-Christianity(which I am actually but that's not the point) or against Austria-Hungary. The only reason I used America as an example is because the poster above me is American, so it made more sense to prove my argument by using examples she's more familiar with, than by using examples that maybe she doesn't know much about. (talking about #94 with the pro military shit). And to prove you wrong, I'll say it right now, I LIKE THE US, I'd like to go visit it and maybe even live there, so there.

But that doesn't mean that I agree with it's military policies or what your nation has done in the past ofc, and I just hate it when I see American citizens viewing themselves as oh the all-mighty freedom fighters of the world that have done nothing but good and their causes are always justified and a-ok, I hate that mentally, not Americans in general.

@The_good_times: according to the definition of "self-centered," nothing i have posted would prove me to be such. confident, maybe, but self-centered? you offered a challenge, and i accepted; nothing more, nothing less. also, you were quick to presume me to be american when there is nothing in my post indicating my actual citizenship. but, just as you have, i'm veering off subject, so allow me to get back on track. true, you made (really good) points against war that didn't revolve around americans alone. but just as true, you made it a point to challenge americans specifically. and not just ANY american, oh no, no, no ... you were calling for "brainwashed Americans" which, i suppose (from your point of view), would be any american anyway. because of this, i'm afraid it still looks like a personal grudge to me. and to continue to prove you wrong, i never said you had a grudge against the US, but that you seemingly have a grudge against americans. liking the country is not equivalent to liking its people. good effort, but there is a difference between effort and accomplishment.

just remember you anti-military jackasses "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" -George Orwell

Well maybe if there were no "rough men" to do violence for us, violence wouldn't be such a major part of our species? Ever thought of that? And most soldiers aren't "rough men" at all, I know people that have fought in WW2, and guess what, most of them just tried to avoid the enemy and weren't trying to kill anybody. #139 Indeed I assumed you were American and I called you self-centered because you seemed to think that all I was trying to do in my post is bash your country. I told you I don't view every American as an ignorant and brainwashed, but there are some, just like any other country has a lot of people like that, I'll be the first to admit that prolly 80% of my country is made out of tards. This is what I was trying to tell you, I don't have anything against Americans in particular, I have something against certain mentalities and I do have something against ignorance, that includes a lot of people in the world unfortunately. Many Americans fall into this category, just like many citizens of my country and just like everywhere in the world, that doesn't mean I have a grudge against the world or America, just against the stupid people in it, which obviously ISN'T the whole world or all Americans.

While I am American, I do not agree with going to war with other countries. I find it hard to believe that everyone is so altruistic as to want to just help people. Maybe half of them really want to help but in the end, its the government that runs the war and runs the other country into the ground.,

@The_good_times: ah! i see. though i stand by everything i've said thus far, i'm afraid i'll have to momentarily cross the line and ... well ... ... ... join your side of the argument. there ARE too many r'tards in the world, and americans sure as hell aren't an exception (don't deny it america, you know it's true). but even with that said, it doesn't change the fact that you singled out americans in your challenge, and americans only. you didn't say brainwashed brazilians, greeks, russians, japanese, canadian, or any other nationality; you specifically said "brainwashed Americans." but i see what you meant, so i bow my head to it. aside from that, i now have what i was actually hoping to get out of this (more or less); as far as i see it, you have an opinion worth hearing, even if i don't completely agree with it. i wanted to hear more than the whole "death is a product of war" argument, but your argument is compelling enough. i take with me what you've offered, again, even if i don't completely agree. as posted by SeanFredrick, "I'm not anti-war, but I'm pro-peace." in my case, i guess it would be more "I'm pro-peace, but I'm not anti-war."

Yes it does seem like I singled out America alone, maybe I should just said brainwashed people, but that doesn't change my argument about war, as I did state in that argument other wars besides those of the US, so it should've been obvious that it isn't just America's wars that offend me.

"in the face of extinction, all methods are preferable" its self-preservation lol not saying i believe in war or anything, but most people think: it's either us...or them.

Yeah this is the kind of thinking that gets us in wars, but what people should get that "us" and "them" is actually just "us", as we're all one species and should be working together toward a common goal to better our species and insure our survival, we're not doing that by blowing up nuclear bombs on each other.

I sent you a link on a female that Taliban had brutally tortured. If you read it and are still insistent on us not having a right to be there, or that we are wrong for killing the Taliban, I only wish it happened to you and not her. Look up Bibi Aisha. That's why American soldiers need to kill Taliban. I am not glorifying everyone who dons the uniform, I am saying that our task at hand is not a bad one. Learn before you speak. If you are scared of risking your life for any reason, don't do it. But don't knock those who are willing to.

I don't know where you sent it, I don't have any new messages. What are you implying? I really don't get it. Are you trying to prove to me that there are evil sons of bitches in this world? Well I already know that, are you trying to prove to me that Iraq is the only country that has them? Then you're just dumb, US has prolly just as many sick *****. There's evil men everywhere, and they turn out that way just because of mentalities that I was talking about, the whole "killing THEM" mentality that views others that don't share your beliefs as freaking aliens that need to be murdered, a LOT of people think that way, many just don't act on it because they're afraid of the law.

@The_good_times: you're contradicting yourself. @looney_bin: could i get that link, too?

He sent it to me with the kind message of "it should have happened to you." Wow, because I do not agree that "Americans" are saving the world from sick *******, because some, not all, people in Iraq did horrible things I need to have my nose and ears cut off? Wow, you really are protecting us with your kind soul.

depends if it is beard hair it can make your gas mask not air tight so you could die from not shaving. otherwise idk